|WikiProject Scouting||(Rated Stub-class, Low-importance)|
- 1 Great pic
- 2 Firecraft merge
- 3 Repeating
- 4 Animals
- 5 Rename
- 6 Removed product brand reference
- 7 Navbox
- 8 "Methods by historical era"
- 9 "Pyromania"
- 10 Which came first: friction or percussion?
- 11 Neandertals
- 12 Earliest hand fire drill
- 13 Pump drill
- 14 Examples from around the world
- 15 Firemaking is a Core Human Skill
- 16 Requested move 17 June 2017
- 17 External links modified
This is the only article I've ever seen on wikipedia that used an animation. Way to go whoever threw that up there! -Shaggorama 04:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's weirding me out.184.108.40.206
hahaha! excellent! 220.127.116.11 20:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- support --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- support --DevOhm Talk 09:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Animals do not make fire, but many animals know what fire is and that it is dangerous and should be fleed from. Some predatory animals know that fire creates rich pickings, and will follow fire once started. Tabletop (talk) 06:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- There is a hawk/kite in Australia that is reputed to pick up burning coals from wildfires and spread them about, in order to make animals flea so it might catch them, and also to pick among the remains of dead animals. Try as i might, i cannot find ANY source for this info though i recall seeing it in a documentary. This youtube video is as close as i can get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qVrMDo8DE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saktoth (talk • contribs) 05:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
How about we rename this article "methods of making fire" or something similar? It would take away some of the connotations of it being a how-to page, instead devoting it to the known methods of starting fires. Jaimeastorga2000 (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed product brand reference
This line read like a plug for a product rather then providing any real useful information. "One such device is known as the Aurora Fire Starter. This device uses a ferrocerium rod doped with high amounts of magnesium and also has a built-in striking blade." So I change it to provide a note about device with built in scrapers and one hand operation. Sledder (talk) 03:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Any thoughts about separating "Bow Drill" from "Hand Drill"? Historically, we know that hand drills for fire making were much more common (in fact nearly universal) than bow drills, which were actually only known to a handful of primitive cultures. The bowdrill's current popularity, of course, is due to its ease of use and its promotion among certain survivalist circles. But adherence to that bias is producing a skewed perspective of history. Kortoso (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
"Methods by historical era"
Great idea for a topic, but the sub-topics do not follow that pattern. And it forces the narrative into unfounded conclusions, namely "the oldest firemaking technique" which is patently unprovable, and may lead others to mistaken conclusions. May I suggest simply listing different techniques and not pretending that they are in historical order? Kortoso (talk) 23:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Which came first: friction or percussion?
I think that finding reliable sources that point to one or the other, would greatly enhance this article. Who's game? Something to start with: http://members.societe-jersiaise.org/whitsco/hist2.htm
- Friction fire-making seems widespread, although percussion fire-making could have accompanied stone tool-making. Kortoso (talk) 17:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Found an article by Dr Cordain from which I might "mine" some references:
- http://thepaleodiet.com/ancestral-fire-production-implications-contemporary-paleo-diets/ Kortoso (talk) 19:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
We conclude that Middle Paleolithic Neandertals did not have to wait for lightning strikes, meteorite falls, volcanoes, or spontaneous combustion: they had the ability to make, conserve, and transport fires during successive occupations or at different sites, like ethnographically documented recent hunter-gatherers, a pattern comparable to that documented in the Upper Paleolithic. http://www.pnas.org/content/108/13/5209.full Kortoso (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Earliest hand fire drill
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-19168047 When: The journal reports that the artefacts are almost 8,000 years old Where: Sha'ar HaGolan http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0042213 "We suggest that these objects were components of fire drills and consider them the earliest evidence of a complex technology of fire ignition, which incorporates the cylindrical objects in the role of matches." NOPE. These are all made of clay or stone. Kortoso (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
A better cite for this claim: "The Iroquois are unique in America and perhaps in the world in making fire with the pump drill." Fire-making Apparatus in the United States National Museum; Walter Hough, 1890 Kortoso (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Examples from around the world
Firemaking is a Core Human Skill
I suggest this topic, the specific skill and means/method to start a fire, is far more than just a part of Scouting or Bushcraft (even though I've taught firemaking for decades in those fields). Starting a fire is essential to human life (eating, warmth, clean water, etc.), human development, human culture, and such for thousands of years. There is so much material for this simple topic that its almost overwhelming.
I propose we focus solely on the skill itself and where possible direct readers to sub-topic Wiki pages that detail each method, or historical, cultural, and other aspects .Sweerek (talk) 14:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
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