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Connecting two separate ideas.[edit]

Good Olfacotry recently changed a long-standing word that was meant to connect two separate ideas in the paragraph about differing accounts of the vision. I suggested that the original wording was better and reverted the change, which was undone. So instead of turning it into an edit war, I decided on a compromise. Since the sentence in question linked two separate ideas, why not use the semicolon? It seemed to me that would be in the best interests of the sentence in question. There may be those who disagree with this change, which is why I am starting this topic. Would a semicolon be a fair compromise and in the best interests of the sentence in question? I have the greatest respect for Good Olfactory as an editor, and the last thing I want to do is start an edit war. So feedback would be helpful. Does anyone have an opinion on the matter? Thanks for helping me potentially prevent an edit war. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:41, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The semicolon is fine with me. (Whether it uses a comma followed by "and" or a semicolon without the "and", the meaning is basically the same.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks for the feedback. Unless anyone else wants to comment on this issue, I think this matter can be successfully closed. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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Question? Archived sources still need to be checked

Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 03:54, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

There is no direct, uninterrupted, quote of the First Vision in the Canonized version.[edit]

I was sitting at church scratching my brain to see if I remembered the First Vision verbatim and thought, "Why not check the Wiki". I was a bit confused when I had to scroll through mounds of (to me) superfluous information, only to find that the article on the First Vision did not contain the First Vision. Now I get that people want to add their two cents and be scholarly, which is great, but it really gives me an odd vibe on the whole article to exclude this. Eventually I found the 1838 account, but it's relatively disjointed and, in my opinion, not neutral at all.

I guess in a round about way I'm asking, could we add a little quote box on the side of this segment that would quote the oft quoted by millions around the world account that I was looking for?

"...I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me... When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!" -Joseph Smith History 1:16-17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IslandBee (talkcontribs)

The role of an encyclopedia is not really to provide long, uninterrupted quotes of anything. (For more on this, see WP:QUOTEFARM.) There are several links to the complete canonized version in several places in the article. If users come looking for the text of the canonized version, they should certainly be able to link to it from the article in its current state. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:50, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 23:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 04:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)