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What is a "Wag" in the context of the article content? Doesn't really make sense if applied to the human waste disposal context of a wag. RedWolf 05:48, Nov 28, 2003 (UTC)
- Synonym for "wit" or "joker". Ya know, although I'm pretty sure I've heard multiple people use the term "last ascent" in the sense I described, that was many years ago, I don't think I've seen it in print anywhere, and Google doesn't seem to find any, so it should probably be chucked out, as "unverifiable". Stan 06:24, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, the term "Last Ascent" has been used for The Gendarme at Seneca Rocks, West Virginia; The Gendarme was a pinnacle that fell in the late 80s or early 90s. I don't have the guidebook handy, but I can find the particulars. Lhclayton 08:49, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I Google-ed "Last Ascent" and their were many hits, after verifying several uses of this context of term on the first page of search results I doubt it needs removed. WikipedianYknOK 23:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Free climbers don't use protection though!!!
- Free climbing uses no aids to make progress, Equipment can be used for protection. WikipedianYknOK 23:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
"First ascent" my foot!
We can never know who the first person to climb the mountains are, the desire to do such a thing is nothing new. Perhaps we should change the wording to "First documented ascent"? --IdLoveOne (talk) 22:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- A copy of my reply to this comment on Talk:Mount Everest: For many mountains---those which could likely have had an undocumented first ascent---the phrase "first documented ascent" (or "first recorded ascent") is appropriate, and is commonly used in mountaineering literature. However for mountains, like Everest, for which an undocumented first ascent is hugely improbable, the standard usage in mountaineering literature is "first ascent." I see no reason to go against that. There could be cases on the borderline where people could disagree about which is the more appropriate phrase, but I don't think Everest is one of them. -- Spireguy (talk) 15:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Taking this conversation a step farther this FA is most often used with rock climbing routes and FFA is exclusively used with rock and ice routes. For these routes there is usually good documentation since most rock climbing routes have been developed since the 1920 or 1930s. Stuff like the Flatirons is questionable but anything rated more than 5.9 will have reasonable FA and FFA.--OMCV (talk) 06:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)