Talk:Fish as food
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This sentence, under health hazards/biotoxins, "These fish always contain these poisons as a defense against predators; it is not present due to environmental circumstances." is confusing and self-contradictory. Besides, I think the fugu article says something quite different. Can someone correct this? --GoofyLittleWonder196 (talk) 23:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
banal sentence explaining that a cooked fish is still called fish
- The fish doesn't have to be cooked, it merely has to be ready for eating. And the point is not "banal". Other meats are often not called by their name in English when they are prepared for eating. Did you read the section on terminology? --Epipelagic (talk) 06:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- OK, I merged terminology into the lead. I still think it is banal to say fish is called fish after (or before?) it is cooked, as if this is a surprise. It is better to say English does not distinguish between fish as an animal and the food prepared from it, as it does with pig versus pork or cow versus beef. Bhny (talk) 06:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fish_as_food I'm a little confused by this revert. The original version also has no references (except for one invalid one) and is quite inaccurate. Was this a mistake, or should I go over my reasoning line by line? --Juventas (talk) 05:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- This is stuff you just made up all by yourself, which is tiresome and time-wasting. You have got things, like "fish does not refer to non-fish seafood in any context" and "seafood is not a word used for freshwater fish", so wrong I wouldn't know where to start. You really shouldn't just make stuff up unless you have at least a bit of background. If you must, elaborate on your fantasies line by line. Also, state clearly what you imagine is incorrect in the original version. But first, before you reply, carefully read the rest of the article, as well as the articles on seafood and fisheries. --Epipelagic (talk) 06:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply, but let's be respectful.
- First sentence: defines what the subject is. The original version says, "consumed...by many species", which I edited out. This article is about people consuming fish. There is nothing in the article about other animals consuming fish.
- Second sentence. I changed "protein" to "nourishment". Fish provides many nutrients other than protein, including several considered "high value". The article reflects this repeatedly.
- Before I continue, I look forward to your hear what you think. --Juventas (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- It is the blatant misrepresentation that I have no respect for. You seem to be glossing over your misrepresentation as though you are not responsible for it. Yes the article is about fish used as food for humans. There is now a confusion because someone removed the hatnote that cleared up the confusion, so I have restored the hatnote. Of course there are nutrients other than proteins in fish, but it is the protein that has been of central dietary importance, both historically and currently, to many human groups. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:47, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm glad that you agree that the lead needed to indicate that the article was about food for people!
- Third sentence. Any dictionary I referenced defined fish in the context of food as "the flesh of fish", and outside that context as the vertebrate animal. The best reference I could find about language of fish and seafood was a US FDA guidance document that says, "Although The Fish List had significant success in achieving its goal, its usefulness was limited because it did not include invertebrate species. In 1993, The Fish List was revised to include the acceptable market names for domestic and imported invertebrate species sold in interstate commerce, and renamed The Seafood List." Do you have better references that refer to non-vertebrates as fish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juventas (talk • contribs) 01:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- This is plain silly. Of course non-vertebrates are not fish in the modern taxonomical sense, and no reliable source would ever claim that they are. But in the area of fisheries and fish marketing, which is the area that fish as food belongs to, things are more flexible. This is not a scientific area, but a commercial area rooted in historical antecedents where the term fish tends to apply to any aquatic animal (even aquatic mammals). For example, most fish markets sell shellfish, which are invertebrates. The people who capture crabs, lobsters and shrimp all call themselves fisherman, and say they are fishing. This is why there is a measure of flexibility in the article. Read some of the associated articles and learn a little about the area instead of blind Googling. --Epipelagic (talk) 08:30, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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