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Someone is screwing up this article, and it ain't me[edit]

Is this why I was blocked for 10 days, or something? This is bad and this page is acting all screwy but it isn't my fault. Could someone explain what's going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.18.125.215 (talk) 05:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


Leaf image on flag here has incorrect proportions. See http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/df2-eng.cfm for proper shape of esecially the bottom part of the leaf.


Article has copyedit issues[edit]

Right now, this article is going through WP:FAC, and some copyedit issues have been brought up. They can be found here. If anyone has time, feel free to help fix them. I will continue to work on them until the person who brought up the issues is satisfied. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 04:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Still to do: Fill in the history section on the early days: the beginning unofficial (and official at sea) use of the Red Ensign shortly after Confederation and its updates, the 1920s commission to develop a flag (abandoned), Mackenzie King's 1945 order-in-council to permit use of Red Ensign until a flag is adopted, the 1945-46 commission and its recommended flag, tie into Pearson's drive for a unique flag. DoubleBlue (Talk) 05:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe it has been completely covered now. :-) DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Snaky sentence[edit]

Under th "History" section, the sentece beginning "During the Second World War, there was an effort to create..." turns into a real snake, and it's a bit hard to follow, especially with the quotation at the end. Since I'm not quite sure what it means, I'm hesitant to chop it up. Thoughts? Risker (talk) 00:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I've chopped it into a few pieces. Is it any easier to comprehend? Thanks, DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, much better. Thanks. Risker (talk) 01:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Page hacked?[edit]

When I linked a moment ago to the article page I was sent to a hacked page. Any ideas as to what happened? Ozdaren (talk) 08:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Me too, but there doesn't seem to be any reference to it in the page history. -- MightyWarrior (talk) 08:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed that, interesting all the same. I wonder how they did it? Ozdaren (talk) 08:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Fixed, I think. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

A Courteous Note[edit]

Just letting you Wikipedias know that someone is spamming the link to edit this page on a rather high traffic site. I'm sure it'll get resolved soon (once the mods on said site wake up), but just keeping you in the loop. This isn't a love for wikipedia, just more of a hatred at one of my e-haunts getting spammed. Regardless, now you know. --24.68.144.179 (talk) 10:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Wind Tunnel does not equal Visual Appeal[edit]

What's up with "The points of the maple leaf were determined by taking various designs and putting them in a wind tunnel to see what was most visually appealing.[10]" I don't have the book, so I can't look it up, but this doesn't make much sense to me. You can use a wind tunnel to determine how streamlined something is, but you can't use it determine how nice something looks. Was a cut-out of the leaf put in a wind tunnel? Was the whole flag put into a wind tunnel to see which flag looked best when ruffled by wind? This sentence should be improved. - Enuja (talk) 17:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

They put whole flags with different amounts of points on the maple leaf into a wind tunnel in order to see what the flag would look like from a distance in a strong wind. They found out that more points on the leaf looked very blurry in windy conditions so they settled on the 11 point leaf. If you look at the CBC archives on the flag debate you will see that the original flag approved by Parliament did have more points on the leaf than the final flag design. Seen0288 (talk) 01:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I edited the article to reflect this information. I don't think I was able to come up with the best phrasing ever, but I think some detail needs to stay, if the bit about the wind tunnel is going to stay. - Enuja (talk) 16:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe the book is online. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Featured Articles[edit]

I just want to congratulate you guys on making this article into a featured article status! $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 00:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to remove date-autoformatting[edit]

Dear fellow contributors

MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether a date is autoformatted or not). MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.

There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:

Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text in a few days’ time on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

UK Flag[edit]

"Its adoption in 1965 marked the first time a national flag had been officially adopted to replace the Union Flag"
Wasn't it the Flag of South Africa that replace the Union Flag in 1928? Damzow (talk) 07:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Probably this was worded in the sense for Canada only, since there was adoptions before and after the Canadian flag was done. This needs to be reworded, but not sure how. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

"For the nation's centennial celebrations in 1967,...[edit]

"... the Canadian government used the Canadian coat of arms (whose shield was used on the red ensign) on a red flag."

Can this be correct? Surely not. I was in primary school in 1967, where the centennial celebrations were urgently promoted, and never once saw the coat of arms on a red flag. The centennial flag had a stylised maple leaf consisting of eleven equilateral triangles representing the ten provinces and the territories. Its aesthetic was very 'sixties and while it was eminently suitable for the time and occasion, it is a good thing that the same committee that came up with it wasn't responsible for the national flag, which is hasn't dated in the slightest. And is elegant and spare, in contrast to the coat of arms, which is certainly very pretty, but just keeps getting more and more elaborate.Masalai (talk) 04:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's the flag in question. I've never seen a real life example though. By the way, the other centennial flag you speak of is rather poorly re-drawn here and I'm certain was more common because, though I was only one year old then, I've seen it. DoubleBlue (talk) 05:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Honestly, I never seen an actual photo of the flag, and I doubt that actual flag existed in real life. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I've seen it in real life flying at my private school in Ontario, so yes it exists, but no it isn't really that important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.229.2 (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Maple leaf[edit]

the leaf is a sugar maple Acer saccharum leaf, is this not important? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.207.120 (talk) 18:35, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The article notes that the flag bears a maple leaf symbol. The leaf is a stylized symbol, not meant to be representative of any one type of maple. Our article on the maple leaf (as a symbol of Canada) notes that "the one chosen is a generic maple leaf representing the ten species of maple tree native to Canada." - EronTalk 18:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually to me the flag looks like 2 men shouting at each other! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.50.158 (talk) 01:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes! I read in a flag book that some Canadians refer to the flag as Jack and Jacques because it looks like two men shouting at each other. I did find this source from an article on suite101 (unable to provide link as site has apparently been blacklisted as spam) "Since the adoption of the flag, some observers have pointed out that if the colours of the flag are inverted, the flag’s design reveals two faces in profile, arguing. These figures have been nicknamed Jack and Jacques, in allusion to Canada’s cultural and linguistic duality." Maybe this is worth a mention in the article with an adequate source? 96.248.139.183 (talk) 07:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=0bNwoG1MvToC&q=%22Jack+and+Jacques%22+flag&dq=%22Jack+and+Jacques%22+flag&hl=en&ei=yRQTTZjWIcOqlAfE9o3YCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA might be the book in question. However, page 103 of "I Stand For Canada" mentioned that while the 13 point leaf was stylized, it still resembled mostly to the sugar maple. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Holy Trinity[edit]

According to one particular interpretation, the Maple leaf could be depicting the Holy Trinity, i.e. God as is usually understood in Christianity. See for instance the Andrei Rublev painting, which in depicted in the same shape as the maple leaf. There are various traditional symbols such as the fleurs-de-lis, the shamrock and the Christmas tree that have the same basic shape and that have historically been used to represent the Holy Trinity in art and symbol. ADM (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence that when Members of Parliament chose the maple leaf flag they did so because of this alleged relationship? Or did they chose the maple leaf because it is common throughout many parts of Canada and has always been associated with Canada? Ground Zero | t 11:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's common in all parts of Canada. When I meet people from the West, the North or the Far East, they tell me that maple trees are not all that common in their respective provinces or territories. I think the symbol originates from 19th century Quebec, when it was used during the Saint-Jean-Baptiste parades, and became associated by the quasi-religious regalia of those ceremonies. ADM (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The maple tree was one of the most predominate and useful trees of central Canada and especially Quebec and its leaf was chosen as a symbol to represent Canada by the Saint-Jean Baptiste society in its infancy and was waved by the populace during the visit of Edward VII in 1860. Its use as a national symbol spread and was used on flags, money, posters, arms; just as today almost anything that needed identifying as being Canadian you just added the maple leaf. I don't find any credible evidence that the holy trinity had anything to do with the initial choice of the leaf as a national symbol and it certainly had nothing to do with its choice as the primary element of the flag. DoubleBlue (talk) 18:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The Christmas tree does not have the same "basic shape" as the maple leaf. Furthermore, anything with three branches or points can be used to represent any other thing with three branches or points in an artistic or symbolic representation, so you could say that the Star Wars Trilogy could represent the Holy Trinity. And the painting you cite has nothing to do with the Trinity maple leaves. Utter nonsense. --Makaristos (talk) 18:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The maple leaf was previously the Quebec national symbol, until it was replaced by the fleurs-de-lis. It happens that both symbols have the exact same shape and the same religious meaning, if you look up the history of the royal emblem of France, which clearly depicts the Trinity. See also the shamrock, Ireland's national symbol. Also, the generic term trinity is not the same thing as the artistic representation of the Trinity, this is a heresy called nominalism. ADM (talk) 19:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The Maple Leaf as used on the flag of Canada does not stand for the Trinity. --Makaristos (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Add new section: Criticisms[edit]

I think a section should be added noting that many people are critical of the political reasons behind the adoption of the 1965 flag, given the political climate of the era, and the way in Canada's traditional love for its historic ties to the Commonwealth were dealt a significant blow. The leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition Michael Ignatieff even said the flag "looks like a beer label." There also exists a society to restore the Canadian Red Ensign. See: canadianredensign.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.197.129 (talk) 20:06, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Flag of Canada song by Freddy Grant (1965)[edit]

--Wendystation (talk) 05:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)Young students learned to sing Freddy Grant's "Flag of Canada" (1965) at Cedar Hill School in Victoria BC back in 1965. Here's one of those students singing the song, 46 years later. Flag of Canada (sung by Wendy Station)

Missing template[edit]

{{Flags of North America}} is missing. --Pavel Q (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

We got it, it is inside the Navigational box. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Flag not created by an "act of Parliament"[edit]

Technically, the flag was not created by an "act", and the Senate and the House of Commons did not vote on a "bill" in December 1964. Because of the precedent set by the Acts of Union in 1707 and 1801, which reserved to the sovereign the design of national coat of arms and flag, Parliament's powers still are not considered to include changing arms or flag. So the two houses of Parliament did not vote on a "bill" but on "resolutions", which asked the Queen to proclaim this design as the national flag. See the text of the proclamation, which says the proclamation is made on the advice of the Privy Council. It does mention the resolutions of the houses, but they were not legally binding. Politically binding, yes, but not legally. Indefatigable (talk) 16:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Watercolors are _gouache_ or _guache_, not _gauche_. Please someone fix this. It would be _gauche_ not to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.251.153 (talk) 03:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 198.103.167.20, 13 May 2011[edit]

Please change the wait times listed for receiving a Peace Tower flag from 27 to 32 years, and from 19 to 20 years for the East/West Block flags. These dates have officially been changed by PWGSC, and are currently listed on the Parliament Hill website. http://www.parliamenthill.gc.ca/drp-flg-eng.html

198.103.167.20 (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Done (diff), and thanks for helping to keep Wikipedia reliable.  Hazard-SJ  ±  04:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Related to the above, the webpage that is cited as a source for these numbers has changed. The new URL is http://www.collineduparlement-parliamenthill.gc.ca/batir-building/centre/tour-tower/drp-flg-eng.html

I've set answered=no for the link update only - the numbers are still valid. 76.10.151.125 (talk) 01:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done--Jac16888 Talk 14:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

flag of canada[edit]

why the canada choose the leaves for the designed of the canadiens flag? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.137.98 (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

FA?[edit]

After a quick read through the article, I think that this article isn't a FA. Here's some points:

  • The spelling is inconsistant mix of American and Canadian
  • Bare URLs
  • Link rot

~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 22:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Would you please give some examples of words that are not spelled the Canadian way. I took a quick scan through and could not find any. Indefatigable (talk) 16:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Fixed already. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 15:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Plus there is more information that has been found in the past few years, such as the creation of technical standards by the GCSB. As for the American spelling, that is my fault but I have no sure fire way on making sure everything is in Canadian English. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
The automated peer reviewer does check, but is not complete. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:16, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
More like if there is a spellchecker I can use on Firefox or something. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.10.151.125, 16 January 2012[edit]

Please correct name of the flag given in the infobox. The official name is the National Flag of Canada. Source: http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/df7-eng.cfm

76.10.151.125 (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

This is an issue with the {{Infobox flag}}, which does not allow for words entered before the word "flag", only between "flag of" and the name of the entity. Thus, it can't be changed without using an entirely different infobox. Skier Dude (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Fixed infobox and changed. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 21:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 January 2012 -- flying it upside-down[edit]

Can someone add a section about flying the flag upside-down, whether it represents a distress signal, and particularly the time that a U.S. Army unit inadvertently carried it upside-down during the opening ceremonies of a World Series game in Montreal?

Hgrosser (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done, this template is for making specific requests for changes which protection prevents you from making yourself--Jac16888 Talk 02:58, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 February 2012[edit]

Freddy Grant's "Flag of Canada" song was written in (1965) The Canadian Encyclopedia

The song was taught at Cedar Hill School in Victoria, BC. Visit Flag of Canada to hear the song being sung recently by one of the students.

Wendystation (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Please restate your request in a 'please change X to Y' format. It isn't clear where in this article you could add information about that song. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 06:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Canadian Unity Flag[edit]

This section seems like a plug for a really minor movement. Should it be removed? Knoper (talk) 04:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, it has been going on for years, received attention from the press and also was featured in both books by Archbold. I would make it a minor note in the article, but I would not remove it outright. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Relatively minor it is, I've only seen it in actual use once, and that was during Canada day on Parliament Hill (someone was waving it about), although that doesn't diminish the fact that it is used. trackratte (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

RGB is missing![edit]

hello,

the RGB colours are missing! How is this featured without mentioning the exact type of colours. Regards.--Kürbis () 10:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Because the official government source (Department of Canadian Heritage) doesn't list an RGB color in their specifications of colors. However, the Federal Identity Program does list the RGB colors at http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/fip-pcim/spec/T145-eng.asp. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Erroneous date[edit]

In the "History" section, I believe the following sentence should be changed and the reference to the Heritage Canada document removed: "The design was approved unanimously by the committee on October 29, 1964, and later passed by a majority vote in the House of Commons on December 15, 1964. The Senate added its approval two days later."

I was doing a research on the topic and I found in the House of Commons Journals that the House adopted the motion on December 14, not December 15 (House of Commons Journals, vol. CXI, no. 210, p. 1000-1003). I'm also in contact with Heritage Canada for clarifications and hopefully getting that part of their website corrected.--RXcanadensis (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind people, further research demonstrated that although the vote was still on the December 14 sitting, it happened after midnight, thus making it December 15.--RXcanadensis (talk) 14:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion of "Father of Canadian Flag" and reference to C.P. Champion's book[edit]

The paragraph deleted by Miesianiacal in the "Legacy" section of the Flag of Canada article is a discussion of conflicting interpretations, not editorializing. As a reliable published source on the topic, written by a respected scholar and published by a leading university press, C.P. Champion's The Strange Demise of British Canada is indeed a relevant source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzdavid (talkcontribs) 22:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

It was full of editorialising and sourced to an editorial. It's been trimmed accordingly.
The Strange Demise of British Canada isn't a source used for many parts of this article, so, it was put in the wrong place. It's been moved to a more proper location, but needs a page number. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
The section seems to me to be adding a controversy that is not really there.-- Moxy (talk) 18:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree. I think the preceding sections do a good job in outlining the facts (ie the roles that Matheson, Stanley, and Pearson played), without getting into editorialising over who deserves to be the one and only true 'father of the flag'. trackratte (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
History is much more than simply "the facts". On a much more sophisticated level, it is the interpretation of the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzdavid (talkcontribs) 19:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Actually, there is a current "controversy" regarding this issue. Brockville, Ontario, is campaigning to have that community officially recognized as the "Birthplace of the Canadian Flag" and is claiming Matheson as the "Father of the Canadian Flag". Both assertions run counter to the historical facts and documentation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzdavid (talkcontribs) 19:41, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I live in Brockcille - for years our welcome board has said "Birthplace of the Canadian Flag". There is a motion in the House of Commons that would recognizes Brockville as the "birthplace of the Canadian flag". Not to bring up a debate on if Matheson or Stanley was more involved. The term "Father of the Canadian Flag" was officially bestowed on Stanley in 1995 by Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and is not what Brockville is trying to have done for Matheson. That said it is the norm to refer to Matheson as one of the father(s) of the Canadian flag.-- Moxy (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean by "no consensus for this - get consensus first"? This section describes an ongoing situation of controversy about commemoration of the flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzdavid (talkcontribs) 16:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
This section is based on objective, verifiable facts. Although you live in Brockville, you don't seem to be aware of the stated intentions of the local committee. See also committee chair Robert Harper's statements in the press and on radio. The committee's goals have been opposed by letters to the Brockville newspaper on 15 May 2013 and on 17 May 2013. The fact that there is a motion in the House of Commons and a private member's bill in the Ontario Legislature does not change the historical facts. Can you please elaborate on why you object to acknowleding this ongoing controversy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzdavid (talkcontribs) 16:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I don't see why the info regarding the 'father of the Canadian flag' bit can't be worked in somewhere, so long as it's kept to a reasonable length and is in the right location. The Brockville stuff seems trivial and the designation of this as a "controversy" is pure POV. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Flag of Labrador[edit]

A fact tag has been added to the claim that the Flag of Labrador is considered a national flag. There may be a push by some to recognize and use this unofficial flag, see this for example (and I make no claims about the reliability of this source) but are there any reliable sources that show that Labrador can be considered a distinct nation? It's certainly not a distinct nation because of linguistics or cultural heritage, as are the other distinct nations listed in the article. So, what is the basis of the claim? I don't think geographic separation is enough, or Canada would have more distinct nations that the US has states. Meters (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Close thread. No sources added and no comments here. Statement removed from article by tagger (and I agree with that). Meters (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Article on flag suggestions from the 60s[edit]

[1] I was going to stick it in the external links section, but maybe we could incorporate it more meaningfully? Matt Deres (talk) 13:48, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Isn't it's content already covered in the article where it mentions the public submissions? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 13:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)