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Move (2006)[edit]

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I just moved Martian Flying Machine to Flying-machine, as the latter is how it named in the novel. Almost as soon as I did this, I recalled that flying machine redirects to Aircraft. I'm leaving this for now seeing as how it didn't bring any false links with it. But it may need to be moved later to Flying-machine (The War of the Worlds). --Bacteria 18:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


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Requested move 30 November 2013[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved: Flying-machine To: Flying machine (The War of the Worlds) Prhartcom (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


(non-admin closure)

Flying-machineFlying machine (The War of the Worlds) – this form should match the usage of "flying machine" which points to aircraft, so "flying-machine" should also point to "aircraft". That is the obvious primary topic for this term 65.94.78.70 (talk) 07:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose (withdrawn following amendment to proposal 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)) - see comment below. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I have no problem with removing the hyphen from the target name. I am the nominator -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 04:23, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
    • I also have no problem with majisculing the letters F and M -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 04:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Support changing "Flying-machine" to redirect to Aircraft, where "Flying machine" already redirects. I'm fine with moving the H.G. Wells flying machine to the proposed title, or merging it somewhere, but the current title can not stay as it is. - WPGA2345 - 20:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Support — Confusing as is. Such similar page names should go to the same page. "Flying-machine" should probably be moved to Flying-machine (War of the Worlds) or similar. Then "Flying-machine" can be deleted, or re-directed to "Flying machine". 220 of Borg 05:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't know about those other proposed moves, but I freely weak support this one. Red Slash 05:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
  • In my copy (Pan, 1975), a quick scan shows Wells referring to the "Handling Machine" (p. 177 ff.) and "Fighting Machine" (pp. 171), though I cannot quickly find the flying variety. No sign of any hyphens for the "Machines", just for the Heat-Ray. Unless other editions differ or Wells' editor varies his grammar, the primary article should be moved to Flying Machine (The War of the Worlds) (capitalised, no hyphen) and others should redirect to it. FYI It is abundantly clear that Wells or his Editor used the terms and grammatical forms current at the time, and the exact word forms used have no encyclopedic status. Some Wells fan has got everything in a muddle and it all needs a dose of good, strong daylight to clear it up. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC) [Update:] "flying machine" (no hyphen or caps) in my pan edition, p. 180. A scan of the first edition, p 284 (tracked down by another editor) does use "flying-machine" with a hyphen, but the same "Fighting Machine" as Pan.[1] — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
A bit of illumination with reliable sources would be useful too. In fact I would suggest a merger into the War of the Worlds article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
This page was created as Martian Flying Machine in 2005! See [2]. Moved to current title in March 2006, see here The merge Graeme suggests was also made back then, in September 2005. 220 of Borg 12:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree with those who suggest this article should be renamed to "Flying machine (The War of the Worlds)" and rename the other two articles to and "Fighting machine (The War of the Worlds)" and "Handling machine (The War of the Worlds)". If you agree to this, please give your support and I will be glad to rework the proposed move request and handle the moves themselves. Note: Of course the "F" of "Flying" and the "m" of "machine" would be upper and lower case respectively like any Wikipedia article title. That was a good idea about removing the hyphen for all three as Wells did not use it. If necessary we can post a hatnote at the top of the article for any non-War of the Worlds articles. I will post a similar statement on the other two article title discussions. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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"fighting machine"[edit]

The usage of Fighting machine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and fighting-machine is under discussion, see talk:Tripod (The War of the Worlds). "fighting machine" is currently used for a real world military topic. "Tripod" is a science fiction topic. -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 07:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"handling-machine"[edit]

The usage of Handling-machine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and handling machine is under discussion, see talk:handling-machine. "handling-machine" is currently a science fiction topic. -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 07:27, 30 November 2013 (UTC)