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Educational assignment plan[edit]

Basic section overview (possibility of change)

Section 1- Basic overview. (All contribute) Section 2- Definitions (Nikki Zenn) Section 3- History (Dorothy smith) Section 4- Cause (Helena Li) Section 5- Effects (cultural, economic, negative, positive etc.) (Shaq Smith) Section 6- References

    • More sections will most likely be added when we begin research and become aware of more aspects of our topic.

We will all do a portion of the research and then individually each do a section on our own. However, some of the sections may be more involved than others in which case we will split them up within our group.

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 23:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good early plan, I'll be looking forward to seeing this plan fleshed out more, your discussion here and progress in the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I will read The Politics of Food in The Nation, by Maria Magaronis and we will also break up and read 'The Politics of Food' by Marianne E. Lien on Googlebooks. We are still looking for more sources as well.

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there is a food politics page on Wikipedia which we will attempt to contact the creator and invite him to help us in our page.

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 20:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am reading excerpts from the book, "The Politics of Food Supply", by Bill Winders. I have also found another article that i will site later. Nikzen (talk) 22:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikzen (talk • contribs) 18:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone had any more luck finding good articles? I am still having trouble although i am looking. I am planning to get an entry in on the page by late tonight... hoping i find a good article.

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the articles at Google Scholar, keyword "food power". --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the article i used to write the first paragraph under the United States. I am still confused as to how to cite articles on here. so i will figure it out later.

Food as an Instrument of Foreign Policy Robert L. Paarlberg Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science, Vol. 34, No. 3, Food Policy and Farm Programs (198... more Published by: The Academy of Political Science

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 01:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above look good, I've added a few more to the article's section on further reading. Robert Paarlberg looks one of the foremost experts on the subject. One of the things you can do is to ask him for advice regarding what you should read. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I understand it's difficult that to find good sources for this, however, I will point out that the section on the United States makes several relatively time-sensitive statements about the United States, such as USA's position as a a global food exporter and the disparity between the United State's 'food supremacy' versus other, 'declining' forms of American power (eg. military). However, the citations for most of these claims are only Paarlberg's article, which, as linked, is dated more than 30 years ago and itself cites its most recent data from 1980 and primarily compares the US to the no longer existent USSR. This is really not a recent enough source to attribute the statements of the entire first paragraph to. Are the first two sentences still applicable? ("During the time the United States was the most dominant in all areas like military, energy, exports, etc. Food Power was not really thought about.[13] However, since some of those powers have since diminished, the power of food has come to the surface") Is the US still "the largest producer and exporter of food"? If so, surely we can find a more recent source for that. Is it still true that "even some of the richest oil-exporting nations,[13] are beginning to have food shortages and becoming more and more dependent on imported food from the United States"? If so, after how many decades is a nation with a food shortage still "beginning" to have a shortage? We need something newer than 1980 to be able to say that. Are there still OPEC nations dependent on American wheat? That seems dubious to me considering that currently the US holds only 10% of the foreign wheat market, down from the 40% of the wheat market it held in 1981. (ers.usda.gov/topics/crops) I'm not going to flag these statements because I don't have sources that contradict them, but I'm hoping we could find some newer sources for some of these statements. Also, the entire first paragraph of the US is based on the Paarlberg article, and it really needs to have more sources to make such sweeping statements. Chimon (talk) 19:51, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Early draft comments[edit]

I am seeing only one person editing this article so far. At this point, as indicated in the assignment, you should all be editing the article and integrating your drafts together.

As such, I can hardly review the article, as it is only Shaq's draft. Here are some early comments; let me know ASAP when you have caugh up with our deadlines:

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: you should not use plain html links but format them properly per WP:CITE, also, http://static.scribd.com/docs/4bh14golg7n02.pdf is good for a mirror but you should use the JSTOR academic database stable link as your primary: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1173726 --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using templates and <ref name= > makes it much easier[edit]

Hello all, impeccable work on the article so far, Kudos all round.

I would however give a few pointers on how to correctly CITE and how to use <ref name= > and the use of citation templates.

The most common ref you are going to use for this article is {{cite book}} reading through the template pages should give you a very good idea of how to use them. You don't have to fill out all the information on every cite. however the more information the merrier. title= is the only field that is compulsory for {{cite book}}.

So using Globalization in World History as an example you would fill it out like this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins |last2= |first2= |editor1-first= |editor1-last= |editor1-link= |others= |title=Globilization in World History|trans_title= |url= |format= |accessdate= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2003|month= |origyear= |publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]] |language= |isbn=0393979423|oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>

As you can see this has left rather a large amount of fields unfilled, that's okay, in fact we can get rid of them, leaving us with this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}</ref>


Now, obviously, you are using the book multiple times through the article so rather than cutting an pasting each and every time I'm going to show you how to use <ref name= > so what we are going to do is give the reference a name, we'll call it "hopkins", but you can all it anything "Globalization", "global" or even "asghd" or "iu43gh", ANYTHING, but to make it easy to remember we'll just stick with "hopkins" (it is cAsE SenSItiVE) so make sure you stick with either upper- or lower-case. So you simply put in <ref name= > the first time that you use the ref instead of <ref> and then every time you want to use that ref you simply put in <ref name=hopkins/> So now every time that you want to reference Globalization in World History all you need to do is put in <ref name=hopkins/>.

Now you want to quote an individual page, but you don't want to have to cut and paste and modify the cite each time you ref a page, so (as odd as this may sound) ignore what I just told you. Well, not entirely. we'll still use <ref name= > so when we want to quote page three multiple times we'll call our new ref "hop3" and when we quote page 21 we'll call that "hop21", but again it can be anything so now we'll fill the article full of this; <ref name=hop3>Hopkins 2003, page 3</ref>[1] and this; <ref name=hop21>Hopkins 2003, page 21</ref>[2], then whenever you want to ref page three you simply put in <ref name=hop3/>[1] and to ref page 21 use <ref name=hop21/>[2]

Then we need to split the references section at the bottom in two: ==Notes== and ==References== in ==Notes== we'll stick the {{reflist}} template, and since it is a particularly large amount of references will split it into 4 columns by writing it like this: {{reflist|4}} this will automatically list all the <ref>'s throughout the article and sort them into 4 even columns for us.

Under the ==References== We'll list each of the books like this: {{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}. That way when people see "Hopkins 2003, Page 3" listed under ==Notes== they'll know to look for it under ==References== for Hopkins name.

If you've done it all properly it should look like below.

Notes[edit]

  1. ^ a b Hopkins 2003, page 3
  2. ^ a b Hopkins 2003, page 21

References[edit]

Hopkins, A.G. (2003). Globilization in World History. New York City: Norton. ISBN 0393979423.

You may also want to check out the various other citation templates and use those in the article.Sanguis Sanies (talk) 17:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Copyright problems[edit]

Unfortunately, this article seems to have copyright problems.

While the sources are not freely viewable, there can be no doubt that this article duplicates them. For instance, see: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] . One entire section is heavily infringing on [7] I've blanked the article, since copying is confirmed. I'm afraid that the article will need to be reviewed carefully to remove copyright violations and ensure that there is not text duplicated from other sources. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That needs to be addressed immediately; thanks Moonriddengirl for spotting the problem. Needless to say, WP:COPYVIO/WP:PLAGIARISM are not only not welcomed on Wikipedia, but go against the usual university's policies. PS. Moonriddengirl may correct me, but it appears that we are dealing with the case of copyvio of Danaher's text (which is cited but whose large parts where cut and pasted) and a plagiarism of LaFollette's (who has been cut and pasted, and is not referenced at all). Further, Paarlberg (2008) is closely paraphrased as well; the first sentence of "Historical Background" is lifted verbatim from his (linked) article, same for the third paragraph of that section. There are sentences lifted from Wallenstein (1976) as well (ex. the entire "“Food is a weapon” Earl Butz, the American Secretary of Agriculture stated in 1974" sentence is another verbatim copy), the second sentence is only slightly changed... Europe sections contains copyvios from [8]. PS. The article is certainly salvagable, although it will require substantial work (the content that was copyvioed/plagiarized will need to be rewritten, in addition to other work needed). PPS. Please note that all the content of the article is still preserved in the history; the current critical task is to remove all copyviod content; then the article can be restored and edited in a normal fashion again. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have restored the sections that I believe are clear. There is considerably more detail about problems now at Piotrus's user talk. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the analysis. I expect that the problematic texts will be fixed in the next few days. Would you like the rewritten sections to be added to the main article or a temporary subpage so we can review them before they are added back to the main article? PS. Note to students: you are welcome to edit the main article, improving existing content in the unaffected sections and adding new sections in the meantime, but I'd strongly advise you to focus on fixing the copyvio issues first, so we can remove the ugly copyvio templates. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The section on the United States is blanked out still. Is that because Shaq edited to it as well? Because i added some to that section as well that was not copyrighted. Also, i have not been editing because i thought that the copyright sign specifically said not to edit until it was removed. I was a little confused. But you said i can still see it in the edit page setting? Do you know when it will be back up? It is hard to read and make edits in that form and without being able to see it like it is in the article. I know that i have to go back and do all the page numbers but i need to remember and look through my notes and my sources and it would make it a lot easier if it was up. Thank you!

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 01:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I took off the copyrighted paragraphs and will be adding it back in a few hours paraphrased and in my own words. Sorry for the confusion. ShaqSmith (talk) 07:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored them with the template. Please place your rewrites at [9]. I will need to compare your new text to the old and to the sources before it can be published to be sure that what you've created is completely rewritten and does not constitute a derivative work. If you let me know at my talk page as soon as you've added this material, I'll be happy to evaluate it as soon as possible thereafter. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

←Since the article has been listed for two weeks and it has been four days since the last action taken to revise the copyright concerns, I've removed the remaining problematic sections. The temporary page has been deleted. The entire article is now open for editing. Contributors seeking to replace the copyright problems that were removed are asked to be careful to be sure that new content is written in completely original language. I am watching the article and will try to help if I see problems. Alternatively, you are welcome to come by my talk page if you need copyright-related feedback on proposed material. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Why was this article moved to Food Power? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what you mean. There was something moved to our article?

Dorothy R Smith (talk) 06:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to this. You may want to look at Wikipedia:NAMING#Article_title_format... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SorryShaqSmith (talk) 19:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

International relations or domestic politics[edit]

I can think of many more instances when control of the food supply was used to control domestic politics, than international relations. This goes all the way back to the Pharaohs' control of Anciet Egypt's grain silos, includes the famous Grain supply to the city of Rome, and come to think about it every seige of a castle during the middle ages involved the use of "food power". More modern examples include the use of forced starvation as a punishment to resisting land collectivization in the Soviet Union (see Holodomor), and Iraqi and North Korean divergence of food aid to supporters of dicatatorial regimes. I think the article is incomplete for ignoring this. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 19:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Should we subject this article for peer review? Lbertolotti (talk) 16:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Before my addition was taken down from the pagem, my idea was to add a global Food Power ranking to the article. I felt like the article needed that to be more complete, due to the fact that it only talks about less than ten countries. In my addition, I added 10 countries that are considered great in the food game, including thge US, China, and multiple European countries.

MauricioMauricio Perez Gonzalez (talk) 01:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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