Talk:Foreign relations of the Cook Islands

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USA[edit]

On MFA website of CI was published the current list of States with which the CI established diplomatic relations [1]. Every countries from our article are here. Only USA and Ireland are not in the list. In the case of the US, it's further strong (negative) proof. The minimum required is to supplement the Note, see previous discussions (23 Dec, 11:45). But I'm inclined to include USA as Korea. I think that the current display of the US on the basis of very weak proof about relations is very problematic. Jan CZ (talk) 22:56, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is an exhaustive list. Ireland is also missing and afterwards in the list of international organizations memberships there are many missing. Anyway, I don't object if you add additional sentence in the footnote about the missing of USA from that list.
Will you update the map to be much less cluttered as it currently is barely usable? Japinderum (talk) 06:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
The United States does not have diplomatic relations with the Cook Islands. They are not listed as a country by the State Department. On the issue of an ambassador being accredited, a diplomatic mission can have consular or other accreditation to a state with which the sending state does not have diplomatic relations. The U.S. Embassy in New Delhi has responsibility for Bhutan, for example, despite the absence of diplomatic relations. - ILBobby (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Accreditation of the Ambassador to the receiving country is clear proof of the existence of diplomatic relations. On the other hand the existence of diplomatic relations miss on lists of countries of the CIA. The US also continue miss on the CI government web page list of countries that have established diplomatic relations with CI. The existence of relations is so highly disputed. Undisputed is the only existence of consular relations. I propose, therefore, to reclassify US to the section of the consular relations, and the possible existence of diplomatic relations to mention in the note. Jan CZ (talk) 11:51, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
The very updated list of states with diplomatic relations with the United States is published by the US Department of the State. The Cook Islands are not listed here as state with diplomatic relations with the United States nor as a state (CI are listed as dependencies and areas of special sovereignty). The situation is clear, according to the US Department of the State no diplomatic relations exist between US and CI. Aotearoa (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
The US ambassador is responsible for relations with Cook Islands because it's part of the Realm of New Zealand. He is not the ambassador to the Cook Islands. It'd be like saying the US Ambassador to the Netherlands is accreditd to Aruba, because it's part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, therefore the US recognizes Aruba as a sovereign state. It's an incorrect inference/deduction. Stop putting it back on the page. We should be thankful the ambassador did not say he was accredited to Mars. - ILBobby (talk) 18:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

New Zealand responsible for defence and foreign affairs[edit]

The Cook Islands is not an independent country. It is effectively a self-governing part of New Zealand. New Zealand is responsible for defence and foreign affairs. How then does CI sign treaties with other countries? There should be a section on this anomaly.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Technically speaking, the Cook Islands is more than just "a self-governing part of New Zealand", although you're right that (A) it's not fully independent and (B) the article ought to say something about where New Zealand figures in to the equation. I've added a sentence to that effect to the lede. Legally, since 1965, New Zealand acts in foreign affairs and defence on the Cook Islands' behalf only on the Cooks' delegated authority. Q·L·1968 19:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)