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:But did he not use "Carniolan" to refer to the same ethnic group as "Slovenian" would later? There seems to be no question in Slovenia whether he was a Slovenian or not, besides yours I haven't found any sources citing him as a Carniolan. He is also refered to as a Slovenian on the Slovenian Wikipedia and is featured in famous Slovenians collage on [[Slovenes]] page. [[Special:Contributions/109.182.86.77|109.182.86.77]] ([[User talk:109.182.86.77|talk]]) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 
:But did he not use "Carniolan" to refer to the same ethnic group as "Slovenian" would later? There seems to be no question in Slovenia whether he was a Slovenian or not, besides yours I haven't found any sources citing him as a Carniolan. He is also refered to as a Slovenian on the Slovenian Wikipedia and is featured in famous Slovenians collage on [[Slovenes]] page. [[Special:Contributions/109.182.86.77|109.182.86.77]] ([[User talk:109.182.86.77|talk]]) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 
::Per [[WP:OPENPARA]], we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [http://www.sistory.si/publikacije/prenos/?urn=SISTORY:ID:1587#page=154], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157); although it is stated that he is "generally considered the greatest Slovene poet". For the collage, see [[Talk:Slovenes]] - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik). Otherwise, he wrote "Bog našo nam deželo,: Bog živi ves slovenski svet", first referring to Carniola and then referring to all the crown lands where the Slovenes (or the Slovene-speaking inhabitants) lived.[http://www.mladina.si/115991/vrazja-himna/][http://www.delo.si/clanek/127578] Therefore, I think the two terms should not be used interchangeably. --[[User:Eleassar|Eleassar]] <sup>[[User talk:Eleassar|my talk]]</sup> 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 
::Per [[WP:OPENPARA]], we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [http://www.sistory.si/publikacije/prenos/?urn=SISTORY:ID:1587#page=154], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157); although it is stated that he is "generally considered the greatest Slovene poet". For the collage, see [[Talk:Slovenes]] - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik). Otherwise, he wrote "Bog našo nam deželo,: Bog živi ves slovenski svet", first referring to Carniola and then referring to all the crown lands where the Slovenes (or the Slovene-speaking inhabitants) lived.[http://www.mladina.si/115991/vrazja-himna/][http://www.delo.si/clanek/127578] Therefore, I think the two terms should not be used interchangeably. --[[User:Eleassar|Eleassar]] <sup>[[User talk:Eleassar|my talk]]</sup> 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Tole je pa res bizarno :-) <br /> Zelo aktivni urejevalce tega spletišča se zoperstavlja vsej slovenksi literarni vedi. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:188.196.45.24|188.196.45.24]] ([[User talk:188.196.45.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/188.196.45.24|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
   
 
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Please, take into consideration this discussion. --Eleassar my talk 16:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Romanic poetic forms?

"In 1830, Prešeren's old high school friend Matija Čop returned to Ljubljana and re-established contacts with Prešeren. Čop soon recognized his friend's poetic talent and persuaded him to adopt Romanic poetic forms."

Was this meant to be Romantic poetic forms? --Eleassar my talk 07:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Article needs reorganization

The article needs reorganization: the lead should be lengthened and the overlap between the 'Biography' and 'Work' sections should be resolved as much as possible. --Eleassar my talk 10:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Prešeren's nationality

Was Prešeren a Slovene or a Carniolan poet? In my opinion, he was of Carniolan nationality. Per WP:OPENPARA, the lead section should primarily specify the nationality. Per [1], the Slovene nationality formed only gradually in the 19th century, particularly since 1848. Prešeren published his poems in Krajnska čbelica and talked about Carniola and Carniolans: "Dežela Kranjska nima lepšga kraja...", "Se Kranjc tam košati..." etc. See also [2] (M. Juvan (2011). Čop in Prešeren ali transfer svetovne književnosti na Kranjsko. Pg. 4): "spričo spodbud Kopitarja, Šafárika, Prešerna in drugih izobraženih Kranjcev" [due to the encouragement by Kopitar, Šafárik, Prešeren and other educated Carniolans]. --Eleassar my talk 10:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

But did he not use "Carniolan" to refer to the same ethnic group as "Slovenian" would later? There seems to be no question in Slovenia whether he was a Slovenian or not, besides yours I haven't found any sources citing him as a Carniolan. He is also refered to as a Slovenian on the Slovenian Wikipedia and is featured in famous Slovenians collage on Slovenes page. 109.182.86.77 (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:OPENPARA, we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [3], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157); although it is stated that he is "generally considered the greatest Slovene poet". For the collage, see Talk:Slovenes - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik). Otherwise, he wrote "Bog našo nam deželo,: Bog živi ves slovenski svet", first referring to Carniola and then referring to all the crown lands where the Slovenes (or the Slovene-speaking inhabitants) lived.[4][5] Therefore, I think the two terms should not be used interchangeably. --Eleassar my talk 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Photograph?!

Per [6], it is not a photograph, but a depiction based on photographs of Prešeren's relatives and on testimonies. --Eleassar my talk 14:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)