Talk:Frances Grey, Duchess of Suffolk

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Intro[edit]

INCEST?? Both Henry Grey and Charles Brandon are identified as the First Duke of Suffolk, both here and in articles of their own. Did she marry her own father? Bit much, even for the Brits! Too Old 02:51, 2005 May 15 (UTC)

Grey and Brandon were indeed both the "First Duke of Suffolk", this is due to Brandon's line expiring in 1551 with the death of his second son. The Dukedom passed to his son-in-law, Grey, however this is still regarded as a new creation and as such Grey became the "First Duke" (his immediate predecessor, Charles the younger, was the "Third Duke"). Rje 03:59, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
Truly astounding! How do you ever keep all this nonsense straight? And why, with all the other important and fascinating things you could focus your attention on, do you devote so much of it to this sort of thing? Too Old 07:08, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
You really should not make comments about things you are so clearly ignorant of. Read the article on Frances Brandon's eldest daughter and you will realise that "this sort of thing" is very important to British history and is far from nonsense. Rje 14:18, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Second Daughter's Marriage[edit]

I've never before seen it said that Frances Brandon negotiated her daughter Catherine's marriage to Edward Seymour. Have always seen that this was something that Catherine and Seymour did clandestinely, with nobody knowing about it save this minister who performed the wedding, and the groom's sister, Jane, who died before she was able to testify that the marriage actually took place.

Also, Frances Brandon died the year before the marriage took place. To say that she arranged Catherine's marriage sounds likely inaccurate to me. - CassieBlue 06/20/2006 4.40pm

POV Problems[edit]

This article is clearly biased. I have read a number of accounts of Frances Brandon that are not written in as scathing a manner as this. I will cite alternative sources when I have more time. The abuse of her daughter and her role in the machinations to bring Jane the crown are the subject of historical debate. Whoever wrote this article is looking at her life from a singular point of view. If the things written here are true, Mary I certainly would not have kept Frances at court with favored status. Agrippina Minor

Completely agree with you, Agrippa Minor. --Feuerrabe (talk) 09:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


" If the things written here are true, Mary I certainly would not have kept Frances at court with favored status."


Someone needs to actually read a true history text and or learn about some of the people in the Court of Mary I!

Remove portrait[edit]

I've the image from this article; it was definitively identified as Mary Nevill not Frances Brandon back in the 1980s; see Image:Mary Nevill and Gregory Fiennes Baron Dacre v.2.jpg - PKM 19:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The new image, although certainly placed here in good faith, is based on the one I removed last year. It is no longer believed to be Frances Brandon. - PKM (talk) 06:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

==Easygoing== I have altered the word easygoing to placid as the former is just too slangy for an encyclopedic article on a sixteenth-century English person.

Portrait[edit]

I hesitate to re-enter the Wikipedia maelstrom, but the portrait attached to this article is NOT a portrait of Frances Brandon Grey and should therefore be removed. Further, the Royal Collection at Windsor Castle from which it came asserts copyright over the photographic image, so that its inclusion here is a violation of copyright law. In case anyone wants or needs to know, the Royal Collection catalogues the portrait as "Portrait of Unknown Lady, circa 1560".PhD Historian (talk) 06:42, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Children by Stokes[edit]

What is the precise source for the claim that Frances bore three children by Stokes? This is a wholly unsupported statement that contradicts numerous secondary sources, including Ives cited in note 10. 2605:E000:FFC0:3B:3D3B:5507:A745:F97 (talk) 04:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)