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An event in this article is a April 4 selected anniversary.

Elli peeps Jsky k. (talk) 22:09, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


The word "uncle" appears in the text. I am not sure that this is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

"Uncle" has now gone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources of slaves[edit]

According to the article

Hawkins' own account of his actions (in which Drake took part) cites two sources for their victims. One was military attacks on African towns and villages (with the assistance of rival African warlords).

What is the other source?

Top.Squark (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Portuguese slave ships. Have added this. Ackees (talk) 13:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
is there a citation for this information? Thozza (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What confirmation is there of that single source cited in note 30, as to Drake's having been "a slaver"? That source was written a long time after Drake. Someone must have looked all this up since, source-checking, and written about it? Drake must have had plenty of enemies. Kessler (talk) 02:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

See [1] also for sources. Dougweller (talk) 07:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

sir frances drake[edit]

do you think that sir frances drake affected todays life in any way?no way are you jocking Why do you think he did what he did. Do you think he was obligated to do what he did. Do you think he loved the queen of england?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Semi Protection is FULL OF FAIL and AIDS. :)[edit]

I wanted to bracket Isthmus which is mentioned in his 'first victory' section as it is a word I have never come across, and I like to consider myself very well educated at the best of times, but as a lan' lubbar it was foreign to me. There's a wiki article detailing it, can someone link the word up with brackets? Also, to the mod / admin who's semi protected this, wtf is with 99% of wiki being all semi protected since it went all ugly and lame? Sucks man. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 13:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Sir Frances Drake[edit]

does any one know what the main purpose of sir francis drake's journey was? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Countyguy (talkcontribs) 05:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Monetary Conversion[edit]

"a reward of 20,000 ducats,[3] about £4,000,000 (US$6.5M) by modern standards, for his life." I would like to know how did the author arrived at this conversion; where is the source for this info? THanks for the help. (talk) 11:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC) 'I Would like to see maps of his journey. Like a map of the path he took and the map should show the whole world not just North America, please. -Help from a girl in School —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Term 'Pirate' is incorrectly applied to Drake[edit]

Drake was sponsored by the Queen and operating on behalf of Britain ad within its laws and as such, he was not a Pirate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:16, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

That's true; as far as the English were concerned Drake was a type of privateer. However, the Spanish never recognized him as a legitimate agent of the British crown and so labeled him a pirate, a charge Britain was unwilling to dispute since it would mean they would be liable for Drake's provocations. Therefore it's perfectly reasonable to term Francis Drake a pirate, as he was generally considered one by everyone but Britain. The Cap'n (talk) 16:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

This is a minefield. There was no such country as Britain for most of his life (what a howler!). What everyone except England thought of him is indeterminable, since large parts of the world would never have heard of him, and I am not aware that even European countries which had heard of him formed a definitvie view. PatGallacher (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

He attacked Spanish fleets during times of peace between England and Castille/Aragon/whatever, which makes him a pirate. While it’s true that he was financed by the English nobility, it doesn’t make him any less of a pirate. And what does it matter what view other countries had of him? That’s like saying Osama Bin Laden wasn’t a terrorist just because some people don’t know of him. I’m pretty sure any country would have called him a pirate if he attacked their ships during peacetime between the respective country and England. Derpherp 24 oct 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes Francis Drake it's just a terrorist of XVI century — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Pirate is inaccurate, and that this was a time of peace is questionable. An apt term to describe this time is cold war. Tensions were very strained between Spain and England, and Drake was one of several English mariners preying on Spanish commerce at this time. To accurately describe him would be privateer. To describe Drake as a terrorist is out of line. I suggest Sudden's outstanding biography to discover the most unusual ways Drake treated his Spanish prisoners.Horst59 (talk) 04:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
If someone robs you on the street but let's you live he is a gentleman? Maybe if he robs your rich neighbour he's a hero, but if he robs you he's a villain? This whole article reads like a cheap novel, not an encyclopaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

"The UN Security Council adopted a resolution on November 20, 2008, proposed by Britain, introducing tougher sanctions against Somalia over the country's failure to prevent a surge in sea piracy. The Somali government is struggling for control of the country against an Islamic insurgency and its navy is currently in development, leaving it almost powerless to stop piracy." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorgecid (talkcontribs) 15:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

No, it isn't appropriate to simply characterize him as a pirate. This is narrow-minded, culturally ignorant and insensitive. England at the time was a significantly weaker power, greatly threatened by Spanish hegemony and imperialism. True, England won out and became 'the new Spain', herself a tremendous hegemonic imperial power. The idea, though, that the era of the Spanish Armada was a time of peace between Spain and England is simply laughable; Cold War is indeed an apt description as Horst59 notes. It is absolutely appropriate to include the view of him being a pirate and to note his depredations on Spanish shipping. It is not appropriate to define him solely as such. Privateer would make more sense. Holmwood (talk) 12:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

No, it isn't appropriate to simply characterize Osama as a terrorist. This is narrow-minded, culturally ignorant and insensitive. Afghanistan at the time was a significantly weaker power, greatly threatened by United States hegemony and imperialism. True, Afghanistan lost and never became a tremendous hegemonic imperial power. The idea, though, that the era of the United States imperialism was a time of peace between the US and Afghanistan is simply laughable; Cold War is indeed an apt description as Horst59 notes. It is absolutely appropriate to include the view of him being a terrorist and to note his depredations on US symbols of world power. It is not appropriate to define him solely as such. Freedom fighter would make more sense.-- (talk) 06:19, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Drake and his "secret voyage" north to Chatham Strait[edit]

Having read Bawlf's book, I can tell you this is entirely speculation on his part. Can anyone find a source that proves he actually reached this far north (Chatham Strait)? Seeing as how this came completely out of Bawlf's imagination, I'm doubtful any such sources will be surfacing anytime soon. I'll be removing the statement in a few days if no one comes forward. BlankSpace79 (talk) 06:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I would concur that this should get pulled out. Shouldn't all the discussion of New Albion theories go to the New Albion page? Whale Cove, Oregon; Nehalem Bay, Oregon and British Columbia could all be pulled. All that needs to go on the Francis Drake page is a statement about "the generally accepted location of Drake's New Albion is Drakes Bay, California, although nearly a score of other notions have been offered." MikeVdP (talk) 00:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Pulled this out -- full discussion is on the New Albion article MikeVdP (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Where the California-nowhere-else crowd holds sway and similarly discredits non-California theories; at least they mention them though; here there is no mention at all and "officially-recognised location" is "officially recognized" by the US Parks Service, which has an obvious COI in these matters. Though this is quoted on a blog, Compelling' discovery rewrites B.C. history: Elizabethan conspiracy hid Francis Drake's true discovery for 400 years; Samuel Bawlf's passion for history led to startling findings that have persuaded eminent international historians it's copy from a Vancouver Sun article in 2000 by a very good historical reporter, Stephen Hume; I remember reading it, and also remember other coverage about what James Delgado, then in charge of the Maritime Museum in Vancouver had to say about it; Californians and Britons may sneer at Bawlf's ideas and the US government may have "officially" designated the location; but they "officially" claimed a lot of things, and their own COI/POV must be taken into account with such a claim. Bawlf wasn't the first (look at the cites on the Mount Sir Francis Drake page), and reputable historians who have read his book (named in that article) dispute the "entirely speculation on his part" claim by User:Blankspace79. Since when is a Wikipedian's opinion worth more than a reliable source or academic commentary thereon?Skookum1 (talk) 02:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

This is interesting stuff. I agree that all alternative theories belong on the New Albion page. Saying that the Drake's Bay location is "generally accepted" doesn't mean there's no possibility that he landed somewhere else, or that there's a conspiracy by some mysterious "California-nowhere-else crowd" that "discredits non-California theories". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and the article acknowledges that Drake's movements are open to speculation. I read the Hume article, and one of the quotes in it points out the non-neutral tendencies of this discussion:

"In retrospect, it's so obvious," he [Richard Ruggles, a Canadian] says. "The only place there are islands on the West Coast is north of the 48th parallel. Even if you took the largest island away, there is still the distinctive indentation on the mainland into which Vancouver Island fits."

This statement is untrue, and tends to discredit Ruggles as a reliable, neutral authority. The Farallon Islands lie southwest of Drake's Bay. Both the Farallons and the Channel Islands of California farther south were discovered by Cabrillo in 1542. Andrés de Urdaneta sailed west-to-east across the Pacific and reached the Pacific coast somewhere between 38 and 40 degrees north in 1565, then sailed south to Acapulco. Manila galleon voyages followed the same route in subsequent years. Drake was trying to intercept one of those treasure ships in 1579, not to explore the coast, so it makes no sense that he would have gone much further north than 40dN. If and when real evidence shows us more clearly that Drake went further north, I'll be the first to support adding that information to Wikipedia. WCCasey (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Re this, and the USPOV at the New Albion page/talkpage and re the opinions of actual academics rather than hostile-to-the-idea Wikipedians, see Talk:New Albion#BPOV vs USPOV: Nova Albion re BC. The USPOV carries over into the title "New Albion"...what the actual most common usage in sources is I haven't set out to determine yet, but in BC and in British history it's "Nova Albion"....apparently because the theory-that-shall-not-be-disputed says California and the official US historical site status constitutes "proof", the thNS Nat'l Park Service-designated name prevails....but should it?Skookum1 (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Birth date confusion and contradiction.[edit]

The paragraph on his age starts saying he's born in 1544 at the earliest, then says possibly 1535 or 1542, but continues referring back to "the 1540 date" that hasn't been mentioned. So I assume "the earliest" should be "the latest" [as he cannot be less than 17 years old in command of a vessel], and the "the 1540 date" passage ripe for rewriting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:29, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Drake-Norris expedition to Corruna[edit]

12,000 men lost in twenty ships (thus on average 600 men per ship lost)seems very improbable considering the size of the ships. They were nowhere near as big as Nelsons ships and were unlikely to be lost with all hands. And if they had been it would have been a notable naval catastophe and it isnt. Has anyone got more reliable information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 26 October 2011[edit]

Under Sailing Career, third paragraph, first sentence: In 1572 "that" he embarked . . . "that" is not correct.

Grancafe (talk) 02:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 29 October 2011[edit]

"is a rare documented survivor among sixteen-century jewels" should be "is a rare documented survivor among sixteenth-century jewels" (talk) 18:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! Favonian (talk) 18:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


Do you see the typo in the artical — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubersmakel (talkcontribs) 23:45, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


Adding Sir Francis Drake's raid on St. Augustine[edit]

I'd like to add a small narrative about Sir Francis Drakes raid and sacking of St. Augustine in June of 1568. Also a small link to our Florida History Timeline at 1586 Would that be okay?--Ourhistory153 (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

To create a small narrative with a link is an excellent idea. I think this particular section could be expanded some, maybe telling a little more regarding this particular expedition including the St. Augustine raid. You might also mention his stop at the Roanoke Colony a few days later.Horst59 (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on the 24 April, 2012 (the 24th April, 2012)[edit]

The term "Classified information" is both an Americanism and an anachronism of the 20th Century. Such things were, and have always been, in this context, simply called "secrets" instead in England. — (talk) 01:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Done, though using "state secrets" rather than simply "secrets". Thanks. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
I, previously at, being and known as user:, thank you. It is still somewhat anachronistic, still of the 20th Century, a rather Soviet, modern Russian and modern Communist Chinese style of use, in fact, but fair enough, I suppose. I further suppose that we wouldn't want the writing and the style thereof to sound or to look too Elizabethan or Medieval, would we, mye goode fryende, Syr? — 99801155KC9TV (talk) 22:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Character Based After Him[edit]

In the anime/manga series One Piece, there is a character named "Captain X Drake". He is based after Sir Francis Drake, so you might wanna add that in "Cultural References". (talk) 19:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Sultan Babu[edit]

Been reading the Horribly Famous book on Drake, and have been surprised to find nothing on this prolific meeting - which later led to a successful relationship (Drake was given exclusive access to the clove trade). The book claims that although it is relatively unknown, this is considered one of his finest and greatest achievements. I'd love to see at least something about it in this article--Coin945 (talk) 04:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC) (talk) 01:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Marriage to Elizabeth[edit]

I'd like to point out that the date of his marriage to Elizabeth according to the Thomas Hearne Collection, Oxford Historical Society. [vol. 43 p. 120] they were married the 18th day of June 1583 by Mr Barret, Archdeacon of Exeter. Please check out this rather interesting page I came across where Michael Turner has researched into it. [1]

(talk) 01:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

"Cophin of Lead"[edit]

"He was buried at sea in a lead coffin, near Portobelo. Divers continue to search for the coffin.[citation needed]". While it is reasonable for someone to tag this with "citation needed", it would be difficult to include a citation for that statement. Maybe someone would like to remove or modify the statement to something more resilient to the passage of time, e.g. "as of :date: divers were continuing to search for the Coffin". The only source I know is In Drake's Wake, but I'm a little to close to that to include it, and in any case it doesn't say much past the 1990s. SMeeds (talk) 11:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Sir Francis Drake incorrect info[edit]

Just to advise that part of the information on this page is wrong.

WIKI says..........He was ordained deacon and made vicar of Upnor Church upon the Medway.[11] Italic text

He was NOT vicar of Upnor was 'St Mary The Virgin Church in the village of UPCHURCH Kent

I live in the village of Upchurch (across from Drake's CLose) and this is a fact. Upnor is across the River Medway a few miles upstream and has no association with Sir Francis Drake.

Extract below from:

Sir Francis Drake's father was vicar here in the sixteenth century. The church is memorable for its odd spire — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janichblue (talkcontribs) 14:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 June 2013[edit]

In the section titled Execution of Thomas Doughty of the Francis Drake page, it mentions a preacher, Francis Fletcher. However the hyper link opens a page detailing another, much later, Francis Fletcher. (talk) 16:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Correctly observed. I have changed the link to the (currently red) Francis Fletcher (clergyman). Thanks! Favonian (talk) 16:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
And I have begun an article on him. Moonraker (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

DOB in opening sentence[edit]

Later in the article it says:

Although Drake's birth is not formally recorded, it is known that he was born while the Six Articles were in force. "Drake was two and twenty when he obtained the command of the Judith"[6] (1566). This would date his birth to 1544. A date of c.1540 is suggested from two portraits: one a miniature painted by Nicholas Hilliard in 1581 when he was allegedly 42, the other painted in 1594 when he was said to be 53.[7]

On this basis, should his birth date in the opening sentence read "c. 1540"? (talk) 19:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Further to the above, I've noticed that most other sources also say the DOB is not exactly known but is guessed to be around 1540, so I would like to request that "1540" in the opening sentence be changed to "c. 1540". (talk) 19:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Done with this edit. Thank you. Begoontalk 03:15, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

NPOV: pirate infobox[edit]

POV to define Drake in a prominent and unqualified way as he was seen by his enemies.

See earlier discussion, with which I agree.

The lead summarizes him as "sea captain, privateer, navigator, slaver, and politician"; and later "a hero to the English but a pirate to the Spaniards". It's simplistic and sensational to describe Eliz I's supplementary navy as piracy.

The privateer Christopher Newport has a person infobox, but there may be another more suitable. Spicemix (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Bring info from the spanish page[edit]

La Invencible Inglesa (1589)[editar] Artículo principal: Invencible Inglesa. Al año siguiente del descalabro de la Armada Invencible, Inglaterra intentó aprovecharse del fracaso español, organizando la que posteriormente se ha conocido como La Invencible Inglesa o Contraarmada, que curiosamente tuvo un destino tan desastroso como el de su precursora española, y marcaría el inicio del fin de la buena estrella del marino inglés. Los objetivos ingleses eran atacar y saquear las costas españolas y provocar y apoyar una insurrección en Portugal contra su rey, Felipe II de España. Posteriormente tratarían de hacerse con alguna de las islas Azores para disponer de una base permanente en el Atlántico desde la que asaltar las flotas de Indias españolas. Drake atacó La Coruña, consiguiendo saquear una parte de la ciudad pero siendo finalmente rechazado, destacando la figura de María Pita en la heroica defensa y sufriendo los ingleses unos 1.300 muertos y la pérdida de 4 naves. Además fracasó también en iniciar la revuelta de los portugueses contra Felipe II y en ocupar alguna de las Islas Azores, viéndose obligado finalmente a batirse en retirada sin haber logrado ni uno solo de sus objetivos y habiendo sufrido unas tremendas pérdidas de 12.000 hombres y 20 barcos. Quiso sin embargo cambiar tan amarga espina y para no volver con las manos vacías y la moral de sus tropas hundida, hizo durante su vuelta, fugaz escala en la rías bajas gallegas, arrasando sin compasión durante cuatro días, la indefensa villa de Vigo, a la que su tripulación, sin gobierno y deseosa de venganza, infligió desmanes cargados de crueldad hasta dejar la villa reducida a cenizas. Ni de esta demostración abusiva de poder salió indemne el corsario, ya que perdió unos quinientos hombres en tierra, además de otros tantos heridos. La creciente defensa de los moradores y las llegadas de milicias provenientes de Portugal, pusieron a las naves de nuevo en retirada. Tras abrirse una investigación en Inglaterra para tratar de esclarecer las causas del desastre, Drake, cuyo comportamiento fue duramente criticado por sus compañeros de armas, fue relegado al modesto puesto de comandante de las defensas costeras de Plymouth, negándosele el mando de cualquier expedición naval durante los siguientes 6 años. Muerte: segunda expedición a las Indias (1595–1596)[editar] Artículo principal: Ataque de Drake y Hawkins contra la América Española (1595).

Recorrido aproximado de la expedición de Francis Drake y de John Hawkins de 1595-1596 (en rojo) y del seguimiento y final ataque naval de la flota de Bernardino de Avellaneda y don Juan Gutiérrez de Garibay (en azul) En 1595, ante el mal cariz que la guerra estaba tomando para los intereses ingleses, Drake propuso a la reina Isabel una audaz operación contra la América Española, que tenía como objetivo principal establecer una base inglesa permanente en Panamá para desde allí poner en jaque los dominios españoles en el Caribe. Así, consiguió salir del ostracismo en el que había caído tras el desastre de la Invencible Inglesa y se embarcó en una larga y desastrosa campaña, en la que sufrió varias derrotas consecutivas frente a fuerzas españolas muy inferiores. Trató de capturar un galeón en San Juan de Puerto Rico, pero los artilleros españoles del castillo de El Morro alcanzaron el puente de su barco, matando en el acto a dos oficiales ingleses, aunque Drake sobrevivió. Poco después, atacó de nuevo San Juan, volviendo a ser derrotado por 5 fragatas españolas al mando de don Pedro Téllez de Guzmán. Tras sufrir una nueva derrota en Panamá frente a una minúscula fuerza de 120 soldados españoles mandados por los capitanes Enríquez y Agüero, a mediados de enero de 1596, a los 56 años, enfermó de disentería. El 28 del mismo mes murió frente a las costas de Portobelo, Panamá, después de haber hecho testamento en favor de su sobrino Francis;5 el mando de la expedición quedó a cargo de Sir Thomas Baskerville.15 16 A manera de entierro, su cuerpo fue lanzado al mar en un ataúd lastrado. La flota inglesa sería de nuevo derrotada en la isla de Pinos por una escuadra española enviada para expulsarlos del Caribe, comandada por don Bernardino de Avellaneda y don Juan Gutiérrez de Garibay. El saldo de la expedición que además de a Drake, también costó la vida a John Hawkins sería de tres buques capturados por los españoles, 17 buques hundidos o abandonados, 2.500 muertos y 500 prisioneros.. La noticia de su muerte llegó a España por una misiva de finales de marzo del general español Bernardino Delgadillo de Avellaneda dirigida a Pedro Flores, presidente de la Casa de Contratación de Indias.17 Posteriormente, el 20 de junio del mismo año, el licenciado Andrés Armenteros envió una carta al duque de Medina-Sidonia18 en la que informaba del regreso de la flota inglesa a Inglaterra, añadiendo (errónea o falsamente) la noticia de que el cuerpo de Drake iba en uno de estos barcos, metido en un tonel.

I don't understand why copy from Spanish Wikipedia would have a conflict of interest problem; I can read Spanish but did the lazy man's googletranslate of this just now, would seem to have useful information for the article; whether it's cited properly in Spanish Wikipedia, or who added it (the COI editor in question?), but:
  • The English Invincible ( 1589 ) [ edit] Main article : British Invincible. The year after the defeat of the Spanish Armada , England tried to take advantage of the Spanish failure , organizing later become known as The Invincible or Contraarmada English , which incidentally was as disastrous as his precursor Spanish destination, and mark the beginning of so good English sailor star . The British objectives were attacking and plundering the Spanish coasts and cause and support an insurrection in Portugal against their king , Philip II of Spain . Then try to get hold of any of the Azores islands to have a permanent base on the Atlantic from the fleets to raid Spanish Indies. Drake attacked Corunna, getting loot a part of the city but was finally rejected , highlighting the figure of Maria Pita in the heroic defense and the British suffering 1,300 deaths and the loss of 4 ships. In addition also failed to start the revolt of the Portuguese against Philip II and occupy one of the Azores Islands , looking finally forced to retreat without achieving a single one of its objectives and having suffered a tremendous loss of 12,000 men and 20 ships . Did however change so bitter thorn and not return empty-handed and depressed morale of his troops did during his return, brief stopover in the Galician rias bajas , leveling mercilessly for four days, the defenseless town of Vigo, which his crew, without government and desirous of revenge, cruelty inflicted excesses loaded to leave the village to ashes . Neither this abusive power demonstration unscathed the privateer , as they lost five hundred men on the ground , besides many wounded . The growing defense of the inhabitants and militia arrivals from Portugal, put the ships back in retreat. After opening an investigation in England to try to clarify the causes of the disaster , Drake, whose behavior was severely criticized by his fellow soldiers , was relegated to the modest post of commander of the coastal defenses of Plymouth, denying him the command of any naval expedition during the following 6. Death : second expedition to the Indies (1595-1596) [ edit] Main article: Attack of Drake and Hawkins against Spanish America ( 1595 ) .
  • Approximate distance of the issuance of Francis Drake and John Hawkins of 1595-1596 ( in red) and the monitoring and final attack naval fleet Bernardino de Avellaneda and Don Juan Gutiérrez de Garibay (blue) In 1595 , the face of evil turn that the war was taking to English interests , Drake queen Elizabeth proposed a daring operation against Spanish America, which had as its main objective to establish a permanent English base in Panama and from there put in check the Spanish dominions in the Caribbean. So , he managed to leave the ostracism which had fallen after the disaster of the British Invincible and embarked on a long and disastrous campaign, he suffered several consecutive losses to well below Spanish forces. Tried to capture a galleon San Juan de Puerto Rico , but the Spanish gunners from El Morro Castle reached the bridge of his ship, killing on the spot two British officers, but Drake survived. Soon after, San Juan struck again , returning to being defeated by five Spanish frigates commanded by Don Pedro Téllez de Guzman. After suffering another defeat in Panama against a tiny force of 120 Spanish soldiers commanded by captains Agüero Enriquez and mid- January 1596 , at age 56 , ill with dysentery. On 28 September he died off the coast of Portobelo, Panama , having made ​​a will in favor of his nephew Francis , 5 the command of the expedition was entrusted to Sir Thomas Baskerville.15 16 A way to burial, his body I was thrown into the sea in a coffin weighting . The English fleet would again be defeated in the Isle of Pines by a Spanish fleet sent to drive them out of the Caribbean, led by Don Bernardino de Avellaneda and Don Juan Gutiérrez de Garibay . The balance of the expedition besides Drake also took the lives of three John Hawkins would be captured by the Spaniards, 17 ships sunk or abandoned , 2,500 dead and 500 prisoners vessels .. The news of his death reached Spain by a missive late March Spanish Bernardino Delgadillo de Avellaneda General addressed to Pedro Flores, president of the House of Trade Indias.17 Subsequently, on June 20 of that year , Mr. Andrés Armenteros sent a letter to the Duke of Medina- Sidonia18 in which he reported the return of the English fleet to England , adding (erroneous or false ) news that Drake 's body was in one of these boats , stuck in a barrel .
when I get a chance I'll look at Spanish Wikipedia; makes me wonder what might be on history pages for the various Latin American countries at issue.Skookum1 (talk) 02:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 October 2013[edit]

Add Francis Drake's birthplace to the birth section (Tavistock, Devonshire, England). Works Cited "Francis Drake Biography." A&E Networks Television, n.d. Web. 14 Oct. 2013. <>. (talk) 22:46, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Already done at the start of the Birth and early years section, though I've appended England. I haven't added the source, as I have doubts about the reliability of a source that calls it Devonshire rather than Devon. --Stfg (talk) 11:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia's own article on Devon cites Devonshire as an alternative name. As an Englishman, I am very familiar with the longer, albeit less commonly-used, name. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
As someone from Devon, I can confirm this. It's mostly used in a romanticized way...--Somchai Sun (talk) 13:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Additional Portrayals[edit]

Rod Taylor portrays Francis Drake in the 1962 MGM Italian production, Seven Seas to Calais. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:45, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Providing a citation[edit]

Bear with me, it's my first time trying to contribute to an article. This article does not have the edit link. I assume because it is a Level-4 Vital Article. Nevertheless, paragraph two under "Sailing career" says citation needed. I believe the following would be an adequate citation: [2] Cordingly, David. Under the Black Flag: The Romance and Reality of Life Among the Pirates (Random House, 1996) ISBN0-15-600549-2

SnowCatRider (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2014[edit]

The domain name has changed, is it possible to update the url in *General sites from


Thank you. (talk) 12:27, 15 July 2014 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done - Arjayay (talk) 13:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Theodor de Bry Picture Caption[edit]

Ggitzen (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)The picture caption of Theodor de Bry's so-called Nova Albion has the wrong date. It was printed in 1599 not 1590. The promoters of Drakes Bay are up to their usual tricks of tying to offer non-scientific data to prove their faux theories. Theodor de Bry was never in America. Ggitzen (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2015[edit]

Category:Nautical lore (talk) 02:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Category:Francis Drake is a subcategory of Category:Nautical lore and we only list the highest subcategory - Arjayay (talk) 11:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Not the second circumnavigation[edit]

But actually the third (or even fourth or fifth). See Andrés de Urdaneta. Jesús Maíz (talk) 07:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Jesús Maís, you're right (or partially right) if you will. If I may, just a clarification: In a single expedition and travel (not multiple voyages), is the second (the Drake's journey). Must be the phrase "in a single expedition" as actually is.
As a personal circum-navigation, Urdaneta (and others) as the second depends on the interpretation and chronology (as it depends on Drake as the 3rd or 4th) Possibly Magellan and some other men, Elcano and his crew in fact or without doubt, expedition survivors (3 Separate groups of the expedition) in various stages via Moluccas, India and Cape Verde). The Urdaneta multiple voyages (as crew member, captain, and prisoner) can also be considered (beyond the 2nd) the 3rd, 4th or the 5th; the Drake`s crew, as you also have pointed out very well (beyond the 3th), the 4th, the 5th, or the 6th. --LuzoGraal (talk) 12:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

"#2 Forbes Top Earning Pirate"[edit]

I have begun a discussion about the reliability of this list in terms of hierarchy, not currency conversion, at the Pirate WikiProject. There are several pirates omitted in that reference (Henry Every being a big one) which means that may possibly change the order of richest pirates in history, including Drake, who may fall one or two slots in the list when those are included. Please participate. (talk) 11:15, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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  2. ^ Cordingly, David (1996). Under the Black Flag: the Romance and the Reality of Life Among the Pirates. New York: Random House. p. 39. ISBN 0-15-600549-2.