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In short; a monarch can give themselves any number they like; it doesn't neccesarily follow that 'there have been x number of monarchs with this name, therefore this monarch should have this number', because this is part of the royal prerogative. Yes, it usually follows the convention that 'if there have been x number of monarchs, you have that number after your name', but sometimes monarchs go against this convention, often for political or historical considerations.
For example, there has only ever been one monarch of Australia called 'Elizabeth'; yet the current Queen of Australia is called 'Elizabeth II', the current King of Sweden is Carl XVI Gustaf, despite the fact there have only been nine Kings of Sweden called Carl, the first King of Italy was called Vittorio Emmanuele II; despite being the first King of Italy of this name, the first (and only) Emperor of Germany called Friedrich was Friedrich III, and so on.
To wit: if Franz Joseph I decided he the Franz Joseph I, then he was, just as much as if he had decided (for whatever reason) that he wanted to be called Franz Joseph II or Franz Joseph III.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a wikipedia article on regnal numbers; "the first" is sometimes but not always used by the first person to have that name. I notice mention (above, regarding Australia) of Elizabeth II -- that is using the regnal number of the BRITISH queen; apparently, British domains did not include Australia during the time of the 1st Queen Elizabeth (who was retroactively given the "I" in 1952). As for Franz Joseph of Austria, sometimes I see the "I" and sometimes I do not. Because the Austrian empire was broken up at end of what we now call World War I, there wasn't much chance for another Franz Joseph to become ruler.
Third longest-reigning monarchs
His 68-year reign is the third-longest in the recorded history of Europe (after those of Louis XIV of France and Johann II, Prince of Liechtenstein).
- This is wrong now because of recent changes to List of longest-reigning monarchs which counts minor noble/princelings within the Holy Roman Empire making Bernard VII, Lord of Lippe the longest reigning European monarch now. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 03:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
In 1885 Franz Joseph met Katharina Schratt, a leading actress of the Vienna stage, and she became his mistress.
I don't believe it's ever been established that they had a physically intimate relationship. Frederic Morton, in A Nervous Splendor: Vienna, 1888-1889 (Penguin, 1980), and Thunder at Twilight: Vienna 1913/1914 (Scribner's, 1989), asserts the relationship remained platonic. On page 85 of the latter, he writes: "...Franz Joseph and Frau Schratt continued to be lovers in everything but raw fact. They never met between the sheets."
Our entry on Katharina Schratt describes her as a "confidante" of Franz Joseph. German Wiki's article on her refers only to their "friendship" (die Freundschaft zwischen Katharina Schratt und Kaiser Franz Joseph).
Requested move 09 November 2014
Q: If I moved John, King of England to John I, King of England, how long would it be before someone reverted it?
A: Not long.
A: Because there never was a John II, King of England?
Voice from on high: VERY GOOD!
Q: So, why do these articles exist? John II of France, John II of Portugal, John II Komnenos. Hint: Don't spend too long on this question.
A: I'm not absolutely sure, but please continue. I like this game!
Q: OK, why are all the following links red? NB Don't guess. Just search Wikipedia.
- Stephen I, King of England
- Empress Matilda I
- Oliver Cromwell I
- Richard Cromwell I
- Anne I, Queen of Great Britain
NB I'm sure dedicated fans of nomenclature will have thought about these redirects:
But the following are definitely and incontrovertibly red, and will remain so for a day or two.
So, my darlings, here's the 64,000-dollar question:
Q: Why is there no article Franz Joseph II of Austria, and even if I wanted to create it, why would I not find a single Reliable Source™ referring to such a person?
A: Because there never was such a person, or anyone who styled themselves thus?
Voice from on high: VERY GOOD!
- Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. It is neither amusing nor convincing. Surtsicna (talk) 09:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
I was hasty and wrong, and I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my intemperate and disruptive behaviour. I hope it won't happen again. PS I just love being corrected. MinorProphet (talk) 01:58, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
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