Talk:Franz Kafka

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Translation difficulties exaggerated, not unusual, irrelevant, let's delete[edit]

Absurd. When is translation easy? Whenever one has to deal with colloquialisms, or with poetry of any sort, when the meaning of words is vague or multifaceted, there's difficulty. We're here describing most of the world's literature. That's a universal translation problem, not something unique to "translating Kafka into English." Want something you can translate universally? I give you Euclid's "Elements."

As for the other specific "difficulty" mentioned here, the sentence construction with the verb at the end, there are at least two problems with this complaint. One is that, were it true, it wouldn't matter, because understanding a text isn't a matter of the psychological impact of your first reading of a sentence. As in, "oh, THAT's the verb, how that changes the experience of the story!" It might be true for inexperienced readers, middle schoolers for example, and it's certainly a problem with comedy because it messes up the timing, but that's it. The second problem (see my use of the subjunctive, above) is that it's not true. English is flexible enough for the verb to come at the end. See Shakespeare for a thousand examples. Yes, in the hands of most translators it will sound awkward, but that just means you need a better translation or a more intelligent reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.191.16 (talkcontribs) November 18, 2014

Google doodle notable?[edit]

Could anyone please elaborate as to why the mention of a google doodle isn't considered WP:Trivia on this page? -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 14:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Affiliation[edit]

Franz Kafka was born and raised in Prague and lived his whole life in the Czech Lands.
He spoke Czech and had Czechoslovakian citizenship.
Franz Kafka was a Czech-Jew.
He could not be anything else.
Btw. The Czechs were forced to speak German under hapsburg Misrule.
--Posp68 (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Addition of Jan Hladík etching image[edit]

Franz Kafka, etching by printmaker Jan Hladík, 1978

Somebody added this image which I have since reverted. I feel that it is not an improvement by having in the article for the following reasons:

  1. -- Neither the artist or the picture are mentioned in the text. Was this a notable picture in its own right? If so, would it be worthy of including in prose form first before the image is added?
  2. -- The image is nearly sixty years out of date in terms of the text;
  3. -- Does not visually aid the reader anymore than any other Kafka image, of which there are plenty;
  4. -- A major edit, such as this, on a featured article would require some level of discussion on the talk page first as it would alter the version which passed WP:FAC. Those who took part there might not agree with the picture being added, thus voiding their support vote. If I were reviewing this article st FAC I would almost certainly be questioning its role in the article.

Thanks. CassiantoTalk 14:37, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not bothered one way or the other. I edited the change which described the image as a sketch rather than an etching, but did not add the image. Some thoughts:

  • Notability refers to articles. Is the image significant per the article? The article is about Kafka; the image is an artist's rendering of Kafka. As an etched portrait rather than photograph does it provide a further visual insight into Kafka beyond photographs
  • WP is full of older images which do not coincide in time with the text they are describing.
  • Good idea to discuss a change but I don't consider it major since it does not change text or meaning although it does change the visual impact.
  • I like seeing the etching since as an artist this is meaningful to me and adds insight, realize this is not true for everyone, and as I said I'm fine with the image there or removed.(Littleolive oil (talk) 15:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC))

You say: "Notability refers to articles. Is the image significant per the article? The article is about Kafka; the image is an artist's rendering of Kafka. As an etched portrait rather than photograph does it provide a further visual insight into Kafka beyond photographs." As far as I can see the image is not notable; there have been literally hundreds of drawings, pictures, sketches, and prints of Kafka over the years. This image offers us nothing visually of Kafka that other images can't. It may, on the other hand, be more suitable to be included in Jan Hladík's article. CassiantoTalk 16:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)