Talk:Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark

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Looks like we've had a bit of a collision... sorry. I just converted and uploaded Fredrik.jpg Motor 20:27, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Tip: The heir to the Danish throne has been born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.3.24 (talk) 08:50, 15 October 2005
I don't think that the Crown Prince is preceded by anybody in the Line of Succession to the Danish Crown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.206.100 (talk) 21:16, 9 December 2006

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Lessons in Danish pronunciation?[edit]

If someone can explain to me, better than by just calling my opinion "complete rubbish" (reverter), why an encyclopedia should attempt to teach readers of English how to pronounce the name Frederik in Danish or any other language than English, then I won't remove it again. Until then, bye-bye unnecessary Danish lesson! Again. This is not a language manual.

I hate anything that smacks of edit-warring, but just "complete rubbish" won't do. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:59, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: Because it is helpful. Because Danish orthography is unreliable as far as pronunciation is concerned. Because it can. Because we have unlimited space, unlike traditional encyclopedias. Because calling it a "Danish lesson" is a dishonest exaggeration that is a (Redacted) reason to delete the IPA. (Redacted)
We can turn the IPA transcription to a footnote, but completely removing it is a bad idea. Mr KEBAB (talk) 12:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
(Redacted) Mr KEBAB (talk) 12:34, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Personal attacks about dishonesty, slurs about rubbish and agenda accusations are not going to do you any good at all.
Footnote would be better, but I still see no reason for it. This is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias do not teach foreign pronunciation, especially not of words that are easily pronounced in English. To whom would it be of any interest at all to learn how to pronounce Frederik in Danish, except to a student of that language? Our work here is supposed to be limited to what encyclopedias do, not to every- & anything else we wish to add. And no, we do not have "unlimited space", because we are supposed to stick to that basic concept, so as not to clutter upp our articles with all kinds of irrelevant stuff. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
"Because we have unlimited space" while that is true, the lead is to summarise the body of the text. The first sentence or two are returned by search engines so they need to contain the most relevant information, and a list of foreign alternatives and pronunciations are not usually top priority for biographies. This may not be true for place names as one may need to ask a local directions to that place. However (to give an example to exaggerate the point) in the past we have had articles like the Peninsula War that contain six foreign names for the thing. If they were all included in the lead it looks cluttered and is not much help when returned by a search engine. So I suggest that you turn the IPA transcription into a footnote. -- PBS (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for valuable neutral input!
I must assume that by conceding that we have "unlimted space" you didn't mean to encourage anyone to add whatever they please to Wikipedia articles, regardless of relevance, sourcing, encyclopedic style, etc? Took me years to learn to contribute well, and I'd hate to see all that value swept away by one little discussion about how to pronounce Frederik in Danish! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Of course not but for example:
  • "Fred Smith (died 1901)" not "Fred Smith (d. 1901)"
  • "12 October 2016" not "12 Oct. 2016"
  • "1901–1907" not "1901–7"
  • "pp. 111–112" not "pp. 111–2"
  • Larger paragraphs covering multiple facts instead of breaking it down into smaller paragraphs one for each fact.
Which are all conventions adopted in paper based sources to save space that can save pages in large publications such as an encyclopaedia like EB1911 or the DNB. -- PBS (talk) 11:46, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm with you there, of course. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Seeing as it is common practice across the English Wikia to have IPA on foreign names in their biographies, I see no reason why it shouldn't be here as well.
Examples: His mother (AKA the Queen), current PM and Hans Christian Andersen. Skjoldbro (talk) 00:12, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Serge, sorry for the wording of my edit summaries (and my response above, it was also somewhat too strongly worded). The issue seems to be solved now, as far as I can see. Mr KEBAB (talk) 05:51, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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