Talk:Free Church of Scotland (since 1900)

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1929[edit]

This needs something about what happened in 1929. If the Free Church of Scotland (post 1900) supported establishment in opposition to the neutral position of the United Free Church of Scotland, then there must have been some kind of reaction when the United Free Church merged with the established Church of Scotland in 1929. --164.36.38.240 17:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Wee Wee[edit]

Sooner or later someone is going to mistake "wee wee" for vandalism. While it clearly is a joke nickname (as is "wee frees", but less so), it's a joke that's been in common currency for a long time, certainly isn't vandalism, and fully deserves its mention in the article (The Times, Guardian, Daily Telegraph). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Donald Macleod[edit]

The article links to the wrong Donald Macleod. It links to someone in the US, not the Scottish minister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.104.154 (talk) 22:50, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

due weight[edit]

I do not think that "Also in November 2010. it was confirmed that the parents of Gianmarco Peshiera, an overseas student who died in a car crash shortly after visiting a Free Church camp in Scotland, were preparing to sue Colegio San Andres school, the school's headmaster and the Free Church of Scotland." is of any permanent or encyclopedic significance in the context of the history of the church, and I have accordingly removed it. DGG ( talk ) 05:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Being sued for what might be not too far away from the equivalent of corporate manslaughter isn't worthy of note? Really? If you say so, Prof. Betsy Cola (talk) 09:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Worship section[edit]

The worship section lists the order of the service, then goes on to say events happen before or after 'the first psalm', 'the second psalm' etc. However psalms are not mentioned in the list above. Can someone clarify? 82.235.147.212 (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Apologies if 'editing' your comment isn't the correct way to reply to it - this is my first! I have I hope fixed this in the entry. The refs to 'psalms' are equivalent to the 'singings of praise', but - as the article goes on to indicate - since 2010 these need not necessarily be psalms. Hope this helps. Iaineditor (talk) 08:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)



– In common modern usage the term "Free Church of Scotland" overwhelmingly refers to the current denomination that bears that name. It is the primary topic. The history of the Free Church of Scotland (1843-1900) is important and deserves its own article, especially given the partial mergers that occurred in the 1900. The Free Church of Scotland (Continuing) is not generally referred to as the Free Church of Scotland without qualification. Greenshed (talk) 01:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence of the claim to the primary topic? StAnselm (talk) 01:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Some evidence can be found in contemporary news sources that use the "Free Church of Scotland" to mean the current denomination without qualification, see:
The Guardian - Let us cherish and praise the Free Church of Scotland
The Courier - Free Church of Scotland leader calls for end of council tax freeze
The Herald - Free Church Moderator defends BBC presenter Dan Walker after Christian views mocked
The BBC - Free Kirk backs Scottish voluntary organ donation
Etc, etc. Greenshed (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, I'm afraid contemporary news sources don't mean much here - that would be WP:RECENTISM. An encyclopedia has to take a longer view. StAnselm (talk) 03:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Erm, I was not arguing that we should use the above sources to overburden the article with contemporaneous controversy or give undue weight to recent news reporting but simply providing evidence that in common modern English the "Free Church of Scotland" means the current denomination. I respectfully don't think you have quite understood what WP:RECENTISM is saying but by all means point out the bit in the essay that upholds your point - which on a re-read I cannot see. In any case I am prepared to do a bit more work to establish that the current denomination is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and perhaps it might not be that productive to have a long debate on the Recentism essay and so if I found sources from, say, before 2010 would that be acceptable? Greenshed (talk) 23:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There is huge scope here for confusion between the different bodies which have shared the title, and the selection of one of them as a primary topic serves only to make such errors harder to detect and to correct. As a result, the rename would be a disservice tp0 both readers and editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.