Talk:French Republican Calendar

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The same piece of trivia four times in one article via three different templates?!?[edit]

While the previous moves to remove the FRC templates were not successful, I do think there is no need to have today's date in the French revolutionary calendar right up at the start of the article so I have removed {{RepDate}}. It is at best a piece of trivia, and in any case is duplicated by the huge {{RepublicanCalendar}} section. I have also moved the latter under "Converting from the Gregorian Calendar" to which it relates, and removed {{FrenchRepublicanCalendar}} from that section. This also highlights a problem with all three templates: which of the 4 different models for continuing the calendar does it implement? If it is worth having in the article at all, that at least should be stated. jnestorius(talk) 17:22, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I just answered this above. It can only be the Romme model, but it should still be documented, especially since most other sites give a different date. --Nike (talk) 09:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
If most other sites give a different date then why is Wikipedia out of line? I do hope there is a damn good reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Different sites give different dates from each other. There is no consensus. --Nike (talk) 20:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

*Why* was this calendar abolished?[edit]

Does anybody know why the calendar was abolished in 1806? The article doesn't explain this. (talk) 00:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Good point, although there is a section on "Criticism and shortcomings" which relates to that. In fact, it says, "The calendar was abolished because having a ten-day working week gave workers less rest (one day off every ten instead of one day off every seven); because the Southward equinox was a mobile date to start every new year (a fantastic source of confusion for almost everybody); and because it was incompatible with the secular rhythms of trade fairs and agricultural markets."
However, this is not entirely accurate. The 10-day week was abolished years before the rest of the calendar, and it was because of a deal between Napoleon and the Pope. It is not stated how the equinox is confusing, but it did make conversions with the Gregorian calendar difficult. It was not used outside of the Empire, and both calendars were being used within it. After the Emperor and Pope came to power, the main reasons for making it no longer existed. But you can read the reasons the French, themselves, gave for abolishing it here and here. --Nike (talk) 05:03, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Sylvain Maréchal's calendar[edit]

Sylvain Maréchal first published his calendar in 1788. His calendar had 30-day months with both the usual and numeric names, 10-day weeks, and days to honor noted secular achievers. Surely it was an inspiration? Choor monster (talk) 14:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Great, so why don't you add the information to the article? --Nike (talk) 18:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree, it's interesting and would add to the article. --Coemgenus (talk) 11:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, I added a short paragraph. I was incorrect above, it did not have 30-day months, but it did have the other stuff. Choor monster (talk) 14:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Inaccurate picture/description[edit]

Pocket watch with duodecimal-based hours, and days of the month and of the week in French Republican Calendar. On display at Neuchâtel Beaux-Arts museum.

Um, this is not duodecimal. Duodecimal means that 12=10, 11=E, and 10=T (or some other symbols). This looks like an ordinary pocket watch. LutherVinci (talk) 03:12, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Try reading a dictionary. However, it is otherwise poorly worded, and I don't know why we need three timepieces in this article. --Nike (talk) 05:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Reformatting the season tables[edit]

A lot of the systematic naming and structure of the table is hidden when displaying the associated plants, animals and agricultural tools as plain lists. For example, it is very hard to see any of the following structured naming in the current state: Vendémiaire is the month of the grape harvest, and the associated objects are the Vat on 10 Vendémiaire, Wine-Press on the 20th and Barrel on the 30th. The tools of Brumaire are all heavy-duty agricultural ones: Plough, Harrow and Roller, while those of Frimaire are the hand tools: Pickaxe, Grub-hoe and Shovel. The animals of Vendémiaire are the beast of burden: Horse, Donkey and Ox. There are lots of patterns.

I've set up three templates {{FrRepCalHead}}, {{FrRepCalLine}} and {{FrRepCalFoot}} to display the months in a richer, more formatted way. The main differences are:

  • the days associated with animals (the 5th, 15th and 25th) and with tools (the 10th, 20th and 30th) have tinted backgrounds so that they can easily be found visually.
  • The purpose of the calendar was to make its users more aware of the natural world around them in any given season, so I've added the Gregorian date to each line (using the pre-existing date range given in the table header) so it's now easy to see what plant/ animal/ tool was associated with a given date. (22 February is the Day of Privet).
  • I've changed the links to come from the English names rather than the French ones. To get to the article named Privet, it seemed more logical to link from the word 'Privet' rather than 'Troène'
  • I've added the beautiful allegorical figures of Louis Lafitte at the top of each column. I wasn't sure if the images should appear in a separate gallery, or inline in the calendar, but the images do connect with the associated objects in most months. (Vendémiaire (named for the grape harvest) carries a trug of grapes; Frimaire (Diana the hunter) has the Roe Deer on the 15th Frimaire, Nivôse ("when it's bare outside, how nice to sit in front of the fire") has Peat and Coal as its first two minerals).

As everything is now in templates, it can be manipulated very easily by changing single lines in the template code, eg amending colours or removing the allegorical pictures. If you are not happy with editing template code, leave a note here, and I can do it for you. [edited] Scarabocchio (talk) 08:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Looks great! Much better than before. --Coemgenus (talk) 12:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Philibert-Louis Debucourt's illustration for the table of the days[edit]

I am intrigued by a detail of the illustration at the the top of the article. If you look at the lower left-hand corner of the highest resolution image, you will see three frogs. One is in the corner, just entering. A second is either jumping or falling (though the position of the legs would seem to suggest falling), and a third is lying on its back with its legs in the air. It's all very curious. Perhaps M. Debucourt was a (not-very-secret) royalist? Scarabocchio (talk) 11:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)