Talk:French invasion of Russia

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Aborted edit under Historical assessment[edit]

I traced down an aborted edit by User:Blaue Max (notified). This edit adds a image and an unfinished paragraph of text ending in a colon.

The forces immediately facing Napoleon consisted of three armies comprising 175,250 Russians and 15,000 Cossacks, with 938 guns as follows:

This edit should be finished or removed, and perhaps the worth of the added image should be evaluated. — MaxEnt 23:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi!
I just moved an already existing picture and its text from one paragraph to an other. I'm not the author of the aformentioned sentence which has been erased since.Blaue Max (talk) 07:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

two maps of War of 1812 will be removed[edit]

Soon remove two maps of War of 1812. If anyone should be available for download to your computer.--Vladlen666 (talk) 07:07, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

And exactly why are you removing these maps?Tirronan (talk) 02:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
They have been nominated for deletion on Commons.Nigel Ish (talk) 05:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Causes[edit]

In my view, the section on the causes of the invasion is in-extensive and does not clearly outline the major reasons for this particular conflict. Aardwolf A380 (talk) 10:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Semolino[edit]

  • Is the sentence "Another battle was given throwing back French forces at Semolino causing 2,000 losses on both sides" valid or a hoax/joke? Google search for "semolino" shows only food (semolina). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Great Patriotic War as Alternate Name for Hitler's Invasion[edit]

Not to be pedantic, but would not the *response* of the Russian people to the fascist invasion be what is meant by the term Great Patriotic War? And perhaps that is too narrow -- the general fight to defeat the nazis and their allies is what is called The Great Patriotic War, no?--Jrm2007 (talk) 00:27, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Agree - this struck me too! 83.251.170.27 (talk) 20:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Historical Echoes - German Invasion: Many Errors in my opinion[edit]

Under 9.4.2, I think the first paragraph needs to be seriously rewritten. The parallels between Hitler's invasion and Napoleon's stated there are not really true. For example, although the Germans expected the war to end before the winter, nobody thought they would be fighting a two-front war if the campaign protracted. This is why Hitler made the Soviet Pact in 1939 - to knock out his Western front first, which he did in 1940 (a lesson he learned from WWI, not Napoleon necessarily), and then focused on the USSR in accordance with his "Lebensraum" ideas, as set out in his Mein Kampf (and held for a long time by Germans before him, as the German population's extent into the Baltic areas mentioned in this article shows).

There was no Western front (other than the fight with Britain which wasn't really considered a big threat). The U.S. wasn't at war with him at the time either. Hitler didn't really split his army to fight the USSR in 1941 - he moved about 3+ million troops, practically everything. And the last sentence of the first paragraph implies the Battle of Moscow started pushing the Germans back which, while it stopped them for the time being, wasn't the decisive clash that terminated the Germans' advance (this was the Battle of Kursk in the summer of 1943).

Perhaps it could be said that because of the German invasion in 1941, the war became a disastrous two-front war for Hitler (3 fronts with Italy + 250,000 troops in Norway), just as it had for Napoleon (without any German or French hindsight), contributing to both invaders' fall, although I think Napoleon's western front wasn't as actively pivotal other than draining troops and resources, so perhaps WWI is a better comparison.

Other than that it's a great article - very informative and well-written. What I've heard from a history class was that the date for Operation Barbarossa was picked to be similar to Napoleon's invasion because Hitler wanted to show he could do what a Frenchman couldn't, but it could be because it was the start of summer. Cornelius (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2016 (UTC)