Talk:Fretless guitar

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Dan Briggs and fretless?[edit]

To my knowledge, Dan Briggs from Between The Buried And Me has never used a fretless bass on any of their songs. Can somebody confirm? That's wrong info right there. Sindwiller (talk) 23:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Fretless bass guitar[edit]

Jaco Pastorius was not the first fretless bass player? Most of music magazines that I read from 1984 to 1994, reported that Pastorius invented the fretless bass guitar.Brian Wilson 15:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

"* Marshall Jones (bassist of Ohio Players) was an early user of a homemade defretted of an electric bass.(REFERENCE PLEASE!)"
I deleted "reference please" remark, that does not belong on the main page, but the talk page.Xproudfoot 02:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Gibson had a fretless bass guitar in 1938:

That's a fretless electric bass guitar. Elderly has more info in this instrument.

John Deacon of Queen also played fretless bass, I believe, on "Radio Ga-Ga." —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The 1938 Gibson instrument had a 42" scale length and was more like an electric upright, or electric mandobass than a bass guitar. Dinobass 04:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Fender have a fretless model prior to Jaco's prominence? He may have created his own fretless bass, but that doesn't make him the inventor. There was also the Ampeg Baby Bass, which while not a bass guitar, was an electric fretless. Dementia13 (talk) 03:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Fender, Rickenbacker and Ampeg all had production fretless bass guitars well before Jaco. Jaco's first fretless bass was already de-fretted when he purchased it. The article correctly does not mention Jaco other than as a player. The first fretless bass player was Bill Wyman of the Rolling stones. There were many electric upright basses before the Baby Bass - seeing as they are electric versions of upright basses, which are almost never fretted, there is little point refering to them as 'fretless' in this context and certainly no need for them to be mentioned in this article about the fretless guitar. Dinobass (talk) 05:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

More pics[edit]

Some months ago I uploaded two pictures on Commons :

Feel free to use them. jd 19:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

List of fretless players[edit]

Is it me, or is this list getting too cumbersome and should either be pared down to a few notable examples or be split off into a separate article? ---- WebHamster 14:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Very much so. I posted a cleanup link and immediately removed anyone where they or their band did not have an article. I am not a bassist or a guitarist, but i suggest that to be on the list, the musician must have consistently played fretless. i.e, Geddy Lee using a fretless bass on one instrumental does not make him a notable fretless bass player, just a notable bass player that has played fretless. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 23:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, whoever deleted Tim Donahue and Ned Evett from the "Fretless Guitarist" list must not know much about fretless guitars or the artists who play them because a few people were left on there who barley even touch them. The fretless guitar is the future of the guitar, and it would nice to give credit where credit is due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems the rationale Metalcore424 is using is that a player doesn't have a wiki entry. This seems to be a particularly flawed and narrow viewpoint as it has resulted in several notable players being removed and the continued inclusion of players who have little more a wiki stub. I would urge Metalcore424 to use a slightly more objective method of selection - or at least check out more information on the players and events before simply removing them. Dinobass (talk) 06:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent decimation of noted player list:[edit]

While I agree mostly that the list has become pretty irrelavent, and one track on fretless bass or guitar is not notable, this recent decimation has removed some particularly notable players (eg. Percy Jones and Michael Manring) and historically important players (Bill Wyman). Please take more care when making such massive changes as often the only way to restore people who deserve to be in the list is by restoring the entire list. Dinobass (talk) 22:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't need to restore the entire list to add people back. I'll give you Bill Wyman, who was an oversight, but I still think Victor Wooten, whilst an influential bass player, doesn't belong purely for a few tracks. Thedarxide (talk) 07:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I chose only to restore those I knew to be notable or regular fretless players. Unfortunately I didn't have time to research any names I didn't already know much about - so I'm fairly sure some players that deserve to be restored haven't been - this is particularly true of the fretless guitar players who were removed eg. Adrian Belew and Nguyen Le - I don't know, and haven't time to research, how much fretless they play. Dinobass (talk) 00:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Michael Vick[edit]

This player keeps getting added to and deleted from the players list. The latest addition being marked as vandalism. It seems to me that this player has been pioneering fretless guitar for a number of years, including organising fretless guitar festivals, has produced a number or recordings and been interviewed in print media (eg. several interviews in guitar player magazine). It seems the main reason he keeps getting removed is that he doesn't have a wikipedia page and also there is a suspicion that these are vanity edits. Given the relatively small number of fretless guitar players, it seems to me he passes all the formal wikipedia notability tests. Dinobass (talk) 00:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I looked into it last year and determined that it would be difficult to establish his notability enough for a Wikipedia biography article. If you can prove me wrong by writing one, fine. Binksternet (talk) 00:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
It does seem a bit thin. But fretless guitar players are pretty unusual. What do we need? Guitar player magazine article year/edition? There are supposed to be at least two articles, but finding them on the guitar player website is proving tricky. Dinobass (talk) 05:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
All I can so far find is a scan of the Guitar Player article, which does little more than mention him by name. probably won't put much more effort in. Dinobass (talk) 00:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
That doesn't rule out Vick becoming notable in the future. If you see something like a magazine article featuring his life and work... Binksternet (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Additional citations[edit]

Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

bill wyman[edit]

an entry in the current article has me rattled. the article says wyman removed the frets because they were rattling, and "this can be heard" on albums. What can be heard, the fretless bass or the rattling? (talk) 18:00, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

=reverse this[edit]

Fretless bass is so much more popularly known and considered so much more mainstream or conventional than the fretless guitar which is much more of a separate thing in essence from the fretted guitar than the fretless bass is to one with frets. Meaning it doesn't make sense that the fretless guitar is the page and fretless bass is the subpage. It should be the other way around, or at least a 'fretless instruments' page or category should prominently feature fretless bass, or at least more prominently than the obscure and more radical fretless guitar. (talk) 03:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Relative volume of fretless vs fretted instruments.[edit]

It is asserted at several points in this article that fretless guitars or basses are noticeably quieter than their fretted counterparts. It is also suggested that this is so extreme that most western fretless instruments are amplified.

This seems contrary to my experience. I have defretted acoustic guitars and there is not a substantially noticeable difference in volume before and after. I have also played instruments which are partially fretted and again there is no noticeable drop in volume when playing the fretless portions of the neck.

Certainly there is a sharper attack and often more sustain with the fretted instrument but this is not the same as played volume.

I am proposing to remove the statements about volume as they appear to have no experimental basis - or at least asking for citations.

Dinobass (talk) 23:38, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Bassists is ridiculous.[edit]

Sorry, but Geddy Lee, John Deaon, John Paul Jones, John Myung, Paul Simonon and Victor Wooten aren't known for their fretless playing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

The list of musicians has the title 'Famous users'. If the list instead implied that the players listed all played primarily fretless bass or guitar, you might have a point. However, if that was the requirement the list would be extremely short indeed. All of those musicians on the list are well known recording artists, who have played fretless bass live or on recordings, most of the bass players have played a significant amount of fretless bass in their careers.
Of the musicians you've singled out - John Deacon played fretless live and on several recordings with Queen, Paul Simonon played fretless on 'Sandanista', 'combat rock' and 'cut the crap' as well as live touring. Victor Wooten owns several fretless basses and has played them live and on recordings, John Paul Jones played fretless on several Led Zepellin songs. Which leaves really John Myung and Geddy Lee who appear to have merely dabbled in the instrument. Dinobass (talk) 04:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Always the same trouble with lists and this list is no exception. The Main Article is about the Fretless Guitar! That alone makes any list of fretless bass players obsolete! For the instrument "fretless bass" the article correctly links to a subsection of Bass Guitar. I suggest that the list of fretless bass players be added to Bassist Article as a new subsection. (talk) 08:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)