Talk:Friuli-Venezia Giulia

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External link[edit]

I removed both links that were here, replacing these two links by the official site and another good site on Friul.

Links about Friulan language was just that: a small link list. While it does centralize Friulan language sites, (a) not all of that list is really good, and therefore the pruned list is small enough to be put directly on Wikipedia; (b) those sites are not about the region, but about the language (as the previous editor stated), and therefore appropriate not for this article, but for the article Friulian language; I'll be adding a pruned list there.

ItalianVisits.com, on the other hand, is just link spam, two pages with 10 small uncaptioned photos and 1 link, the purpose of which is to draw people to "I.V. Tours".

The person who added ItalianVisits has systematically gone thru the 20 regions on Wikipedia to add that site to each, without any regard for improving Wikipedia, no attempt even at adding the official site for the various regions. This is therefore a link spam campaign, and should probably be considered vandalism. I've warned that user, and if need be (there have already been some reverts for other regional pages) will put them on the Vandalism in Progress page. If you have this page on your watchlist, please help in maintaining the quality of the links! Bill 12:45, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Rebuttal to Bill Thayer[edit]

Bill, I am the "someone" who added links to ItalianVisits.com on the various Italian Regional sites - and I don't think I was commiting "link spam" or engaged in vandalism when I did so. ItalianVisits.com is a serious endeavour being undertaken by my daughter, Jesse Andrews, who for the past 2 years has been living in Praia A Mare, in the northwest region of Calabria. My other daughter, Arianna, is attending university at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, and also contributes to the ItalianVisits website when she can.

If you look at the section on Calabria, you will see how much work and effort has been put into cataloguing towns and villages that are virtually unknown to English-speaking people, whether they are travelers or tourists, or people who have a curiousity about the area. You will note, I hope, the abundance of wonderful photographs that compliment the text, and present our viewers with images that otherwise would not be available. Incidentally, you should also note the link to Wikipedia resources whereever and whenever there is material on Wikidpedia about a region, town or other locale. We are as committed to Wikipedia as you are.

Jesse has created a vessel into which more information is being added every day. I just spent 15 days in Umbria, for instance, and added pages for Perugia, Assisi, Spello, Bevagna, Gubbio and the Regional Park at Colfiorito. Other contributors, like Katherine Lavallee, have added information about other towns in Tuscany. Such contributions are solicited eagerly so that we can fatten the content on the site.

ItalianVisits.com is hardly a come-on for selling tour packages, although we are trying to attract people to "unknown" parts of Italy, and in so doing, get some business to those out of the way places for local restauranteurs, hoteliers, and others in the travel business. If you are aware of what is going on in Italy now, you will understand that the economy is depressed, owing largely to various difficulties it has and is facing as it tries to integrate with the EU, and as it attempts to compete in a global economy. So, having information for travelers can not be the sine qua non of "link spam". If you look at all the external links listed in the Umbria section of Wikipedia, a number of them are active promoters of travel to the Region. Even in the Sardegna section where you posted identical comments to the comments you made here there is a link to a site called ActivSardegna which promotes travel. Should all of these be removed? And if so, by whom and under what (hopefully) reasonably well-defined policy?

You can coin or use phrases like "link spam", and "cyber vandalism", or other terms of denigration, but I think you, and others who "worry" about Wikipedia, should be careful not to sit on Wikipedia with a holier than thou attitude, deleting other people's contributions, unless a more thorough investigation is done into the content, and sometimes into the motives and objectives of their creators. Many people spend a lot of time, money and energy trying to do good without much reward beyond the satisfactions it provides. This effort to "do good" is manifest on your site Bill, at least, so far as I can see, and I commend you for it.

I'm a bit more than a little chagrined about what you have done Bill, and about how you have characterized ItalianVisits, but I hope we can discuss this if you think I am making an untenable argument in favour of allowing us to post links to the IV website, without fear of having them removed by the over-zealous.

Regards Vian Andrews Vancouver, BC July 28, 2005

What? Stop picking on poor Bill. Maybe you are the very reason he does not contribute much any more. Seriously, I checked your daughter's site and there is absolutely no question about it, the site is a commercial and commercially oriented site. It sells tours and accomodations all over the place. Nice site by the way. Everyone, I suggest you check out the site and buy from the vendors, you are sure to get a good trip to Italy. There, is that what you wanted? However, putting this in here would clearly be against WP policy. WP does not take every contribution, no matter how good - only specific ones; namely, encyclopedic. Encyclopedias do not sell tours. I would suggest you ameliorate poor Bill by apologizing immediately, but that is only my personal opinion and has no place in WP, so I will not even mention it. Of course, YOU are not a vendor, only a champion come forth to defend your daughter's honor. Bye now.Dave (talk) 01:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the number of italian regions with administrative autonomy[edit]

In the article dealing with the regions of Italy in the english version of Wikipedia, five autonomous regions are mentioned. This very article, however, counts only four. Is someone perhaps forgetting about Aosta Valley, or excluding that region for some specific reason?

It is desirable that Wikipedia strives to accomplish a higher degree of mutual accordance and/or stringency of expression in this particular aspect, I would say.

JG, Gothenburg, Sweden, 26th of April, 2006

The cleanup tag[edit]

{{Cleanup|date=May 2007}} This was put on a few years ago. A lot of work has been done since then. Unfortunately the tag is so general I can't tell what needed to be cleaned up. All WP articles except for a few thousand of the very best need clean-up. There is nothing in the discussion. Therefore I am tentatively removing the tag. If you find something specific intolerable tag it or if you want a general tag put a section in here saying what. That's fair, don't you think? Of course all of us continue to clean these articles all the time. General tags like this hold up the works; nobody can tell when the work is complete. Ciao.Dave (talk) 01:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I nowiki-ed the template above. RJFJR (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Spelling of the name of the region Friuli-Venezia Giulia[edit]

Hello, I want to draw your attention to the fact that the name of the Italian administrative region Friuli-Venezia Giulia was officially changed into Friuli Venezia Giulia in 2001. I have added this information to the article Friuli-Venezia Giulia an hour or so ago. As this name change affects a lot of other articles, I would like to ask how we should handle this... Best regards, berberandberber, Sept. 11 2014

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Requested move 5 May 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No clear consensus. Oppose uncountered for about a week — Andy W. (talk) 05:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


Friuli-Venezia GiuliaFriuli Venezia Giulia – The dashless form, official in Italian since 2001, seems to be prevalent in recent English literature as well. It's a bit hard to establish, but Gbooks search appears to slightly favor it. At the top of the google:Friuli-Venezia Giulia are mostly dashless English results. However, I grant that the dash-form beats the no-dash-form some 5:1 in ngram. No such user (talk) 12:29, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I would add, moving to dashless form also has the advantage that we don't have to choose which dash to use. Currently, we have a hyphen, which does not seem kosher according to MOS:DASH. This looks like an equivalent of Minneapolis–Saint Paul, a union of two cities, requiring an n-dash? No such user (talk) 13:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose pending further evidence. The Italian Wikipedia article (which uses the hyphen, incidentally) notes in the following that usage is not clear cut: "L'art. 131 della Costituzione, nell'elencare le Regioni italiane, utilizza la dizione "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". Il trattino compariva altresì all'art. 116; la riforma costituzionale del 2001, tuttavia, nel riformulare la disposizione originaria dell'art. 116, ha pretermesso il trattino, utilizzando perciò la dizione "Friuli Venezia Giulia". Il trattino è venuto meno anche nello statuto della regione, il quale, in precedenza, faceva uso del medesimo segno di punteggiatura (cfr. Statuto speciale della Regione Friuli-Venezia Giulia). Nondimeno la Corte costituzionale, dinanzi a siffatta antinomia tra fonti equiordinate, di rango costituzionale, si esprime nei termini di "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" (cfr., da ultimo, la sent. Corte cost. 299/2013)." AjaxSmack  00:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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