Talk:Fruit of Islam
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FOI is basically the "police force" of the NOI, should be in the article under another paragraph.Gorgeousp 00:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
On the other hand, the Brown Shirts were basically the "police force" of the National Socialist German Workers' Party - the NSDAP or 'Nazis' - in the years before they successfully seized power nationally... But researching the terms "Fruit of Islam" or "Brown Shirts" today, how many people would initially know enough about either "police force" to look them up under their parent political movement?
I'd advocate against merging the two articles. The FOI is a legitimate second topic, dealing with an organization that is substantially different than its parent organization. The FOI can and should be discussed in stub form in the NOI article with a link here for more detailed discussion. RBPierce 15:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The Fruit of Islam (FOI) is not the "police force" of the Nation of Islam (NOI); the FOI is the Military Men of the NOI, and the Muslim Girls Training (MGT) is the Military Women of the NOI. They are the only military in the World that do not carry weapons, and they believe that Allah (God) can protect them from their enemies with out carry weapons. Yes; the Brown Shirts carry weapons and they were the "police force" of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, But the FOI are not same as the Brown Shirts. The FOI believe that they are the Army of God, and they fight with their mouths and not with weapon. The FOI believe the only weapon they have is the word of God or/and the truth! The FOI or/and NOI are a Nation in side of a Nation something like the Native American Nations in North, Central and South Americas. "comment added by (Bro. Islam Muhammad)"
Are the guys in the white hats in the background Fruits of Islam? If not, who were they?
- The men with Dr. King in the white hats were U.S. NAVY MEN not FOI; The Hon. Elijah Muhammad did not allow his followers (FOI) to march with Dr. King. There were no FOI at Dr. King’s march in Washington D.C… I am a FOI and if you have anymore questions; I would be more then happen to answer them. "comment added by (Bro. Islam Muhammad)"
This article is getting worse. More information is being posted, but no editing is occuring.
The article is good background on the group but it is clearly written by someone who shares their beliefs.
These men are the fruit of the life giving teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
That sentence is a good example of what I mean. I think the article is great, it just needs to be reworded from a neutral viewpoint.
- how many are there (originally, historically, and now)
- when were they founded?
- who were they founded by?
- who is their leader?
- what is their mission statement?
Could somebody please help clean this up. The section on the Shriners makes some serious leaps in logic. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phreed100 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Phreed100 here again: How is a charitable masonic organization related to a paramilitary guard? The Shriners have a comical relationship with Middle Eastern culture at best, and are not related to the religion of Islam.
I'm going to help you out, because you are blind to the truth! The Shriners and the FOI are of the same coin, but different side of the coin. This is why the FOI calls their Temple in Phoenix, Arizona "Muhammad's Temple No. 32" and Shiners call their Temple in Pensacola, Florida "Islam Shrine Temple No. 182". The Shiners are sworn to keep the secret from the people and the FOI are sworn to reveal the secret to the people. All of the Shriner's temples have Islamic names or Muslim’s Countries and Cities names. Here are some Shriner's temples names in the U.S. and U.S. News websites on Shriner's temples! "comment added by (Bro. Islam Muhammad)"
Mohammed Shrine Temple in Peoria, IL: "http://mohammedshrine.org/"
Islam Shrine Temple No. 182 in Pensacola, Florida: "http://www.geocities.com/islam_182/"
Moslem Shrine Temple in Detroit, Michigan: "http://moslemshriners.com/"
Al Koran (The Qur'an) Shrine Temple in Broadview Heights, OH: "http://www.alkoran.org/"
Medinah Shrine Temple in Addison, Illinois "http://medinah.org/"
Knights of Mecca Yaarab Shrine Temple in Atlanta, GA "http://www.mastermason.com/yaarab/kom/"
Cairo Shrine Temple in Rutland, VT: "http://www.cairoshriners.com/"
Sudan Shrine Temple in New Bern, North Carolina: "http://www.sudanshriners.com/"
Morocco Shrine Temple in Jacksonville, FL: "http://www.moroccoshrine.org/'
Syria Shrine Temple in Cheswick, PA: "http://www.syriashriners.org/"
Egypt Shrine Temple in Tampa, FL: "http://www.egyptshrine.org/"
Kalif Shrine Temple in Sheridan, Wyoming: "http://kalifshriners.com/index.php?page=home"
Abdallah Shrine in Overland Park, KS "http://www.abdallah-shrine.org/joomla/"
Hasan Shrine, A.A.O.N.M.S. in Albany, Georgia: "http://hasanshrine.com/new/"
Karem Shrine Temple in Waco, Texas: "http://www.karemshrine.com/"
Jamil Shrine Temple in Columbia, SC: "http://www.jamilshriner.com/"
Omar Shrine Temple in Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina: "http://www.omarshrine.com/"
Arab Shrine Temple in Topeka, Kansas: "http://arabshriners.org/default.aspx"
Arabia Shrine Temple in Houston, TX: "http://www.shriners-houston.org/"
Ben Ali Shrine Temple in Sacramento California: "http://www.ben-ali-shriners.org/"
The Detroit News: Shriners in Detroit (Moslem Shrine Temple in Detroit, Michigan) wearing fezzes with Moslem on it! "http://info.detnews.com/redesign/history/story/historytemplate.cfm?id=194"
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition 2000 says the word "Moslem" means "1. also Mos·lem (mŏz'ləm, mŏs'-) A believer in or adherent of Islam. 2. member of the Nation of Islam; a Black Muslim." "http://www.bartleby.com/61/81/M0498100.html"
Dictionary.com: says the word "Moslem" means "1. also Mos·lem (mŏz'ləm, mŏs'-) A believer in or adherent of Islam. 2. member of the Nation of Islam; a Black Muslim." "http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Moslem"
The Chicago Landmarks News: "http://www.cityofchicago.org/Landmarks/M/MedinahTemple.html" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 02:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
There is almost no mention of the conflicted history of the FOI. From founding to today, they have been split. In one split, they were dismissed for reasons of their paramilitary nature and history of abuse of power. Also, all the discussion of freemasonry is irrelevant to this topic and takes the FOI out of context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddeeqm (talk • contribs) 12:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
What conflicted history of the FOI, and when have they been split? What abuse of power? Do you have any facts, News articles, Websites or History books? Or are you just making things up! If you can prove that your statements are true, then I will write more about this matter. I wrote this whole article and found the References for this article. All you guys can do is talk shit, and do nothing to help with this article. I'm trying to give a neutral viewpoint about the FOI, even though I am a FOI. I know more about the FOI then you guys because I am a FOI! "Siddeeqm" what part of your statement do you understand, because I don't understand none of it!!!!!!!! I'm going to help you out too, because you are blind to the truth! Here are some websites about the Nation of Islam and the Freemasons, By David Livingstone, Fahim A. Knight and Charles Paul Freund. Maybe if you just read these websites and shut-up you may learn something! "comment added by (Bro. Islam Muhammad)"
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." (John 8:32)
The Nation Of Islam And The Freemasons by David Livingstone: "http://www.rense.com/general72/freem.htm"
King Solomon’s Temple: The Basis of Freemasonry by Fahim A. Knight: "http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7141"
Masonic Education by Charles Paul Freund "http://pompano263.tripod.com/Masonic%20Education.htm"
I removed this section for a few reasons. The shooting belongs on the Khalid Muhammad page, it was not a significan event in FOI history. Also, the shooting was by a former NOI member against a person the NOI had suspended, so the Fruit was not officially involved.Njsamizdat (talk) 15:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Isn't describing them as paramilitary, in the first sentence, way too strong? I always picture paramilitary groups to be those like the IRA in Ireland, the right-wing death squads in Central America and even the militia movement. These guys seem fairly peaceful, don't train with guns or explosives and aren't they just a private security force? For all their 'scary' rhetoric the NOI have always struck me as a fairly conservative organisation. Sure, they march around in uniforms and flags but then again so do the boy scouts. Irisismykid (talk) 20:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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