Talk:Fullerton, California

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Keith Van Horn[edit]

He's no longer a member of the Dallas Mavericks by God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.213.217 (talk) 12:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Illegal Immigrants[edit]

The last edit done by an unspecified IP address was done by me (fm.illuminatus, while I was signed out). I changed the article back to "illegal immigrants" because some of the politically correct and purposely unspecific comments by users here designed to cover up the facts of the situation will not be tolerated. I live in Fullerton, a city that is being increasingly overrun by illegal immigrants, and just because a few of you would rather protect criminals than acknowledge the problem, doesn't mean I'm going to tolerate you covering up the truth. That specifically goes to "Shirley Ku". This is a forum about facts, not politically correct bullshit.


Hi, this is Shirley Ku. I also live in Fullerton. And while there may or may not be more illegal immigrants in Fullerton than there used to be, changing the sentence doesn't actually inform readers of the actual demographic shift, which is from a white/caucasian community to one with a greater percentage of asians and hispanics. And can you cite the fact where Fullerton is being overrun by illegal immigrants? B/c we can cite information from the U.S. Census that states that there are more hispanics and asians in 2005 than there were in 2000.

From http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=&_geoContext=&_street=&_county=fullerton&_cityTown=fullerton&_state=04000US06&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010

2005: White 49.3 Asian 22.5 Hispanic or Latino 32.1

2000: White 61.9 Asian 16.1 Hispanic or Latino 30.2 Shirley Ku 19:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

You're missing the issue, there is a population shift, but more LEGAL Hispanics and Asians are not a serious or contentious political issue. To top it off, that process (especially of Asians moving to Fullerton) has been happening for a while, more than just a few years. However, as a serious current political issue facing Fullerton, illegal immigrant crime and population growth is far more important than a minor demographic shift of Asians and legal Hispanics, who contribute to this city positively. Acting like it's just a minor migration of citizens and legal immigrants that is upsetting the political and economic situation is just intentionally misleading the reader from the real political and economic problems in the city, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS. If you want to mention a demographic shift among legal immigrants that badly, do it in a different paragraph, and don't pretend it's a serious issue to distract the reader from the real problems facing Fullerton, illegal immigrants. When I have a chance, I will re-write the paragraph again. --Fm.illuminatus 09:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Other[edit]

Oops -- I did some possibly contentious edits while not logged in. That was me today :-) Wow, the stuff I changed was just wildly POV. --Bcrowell 03:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Troy High School[edit]

Someone left the following unsigned message for me on my talk page:

Do you have something against Troy? It is a noteworthy accomplishment that Fullerton is home to a top-25 Newsweek high school. Any way you slice the metrics, it is still a notable achievement. I agree that we don't have to write in great detail about the school's prestige, etc. and that this is what the school's page is for. However, if we are to delete a stat related to civic pride, why shouldn't we delete "the area it is best known for its winning collegiate baseball program. In 2004 the CSUF Titans won their fourth NCAA Division I World Series" and merely state that CSUF is located in the city limits. The point of the Fullerton article is to give readers an introduction to fundamental aspects of the city's culture, demographics, educational system, history, etc. Part of this includes highlighting newsworthy successes.

If you go back through the edit history of this article, there's a long history of Troy enthusiasts adding promotional material about how great Troy is. That kind of stuff is inappropriate, in my opinion. I've also deleted the stuff about CSUF's athletic programs. The place for all this detail is the articles about the schools themselves.--Bcrowell 15:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

  • While I agree the original description of Troy from months ago was ridiculous, I think a sentence or two establishing the notability of an institution is not inappropriate. Troy's national ranking is notable (and that's coming from a Sunny Hills family member). As currently written, there is no obvious reason why the city should "pride itself" on its schools—it becomes meaningless boosterism. I'd furthermore say that a single sentence mentioning CSUF's athletic reputation is quite appropriate as well, considering it's the only reason why anybody where I am (on the Eastern Seaboard) has heard of Fullerton (the same Fullerton as the baseball school?). I don't follow college baseball and wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. Such mentions in passing are no different from, say, Torrance mentioning television shows taped at Torrance High School, and far more discrete than, say, Houston about its universities. - choster 16:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
IMO, this is all stuff that belongs in the schools' articles, not in the Fullerton article. If the reader wonders "the same Fullerton as the baseball school?," he can click on the link. If the reader wonders why Troy H.S. is worthy of community pride, he can click on the link.--Bcrowell 17:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Picture?[edit]

I live in Fullerton. Any suggestions on good subjects for pictures? Since it's a railroad town, a picture of the station would make sense, but I'm not sure where it can be photographed from so that it doesn't just look like a parking lot. The existence of a real downtown is distinctive for Orange County. Maybe a shot of some of the nice old architecture looking down Harbor, between Chapman and Commonwealth?--Bcrowell 14:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

The downtown would be good. Maybe a photo from the bridge over the tracks would give a nice angle on the station.--Epolk 19:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Shawn Nelson, Mayor[edit]

Please help disambiguate the article shawn nelson in the infobox; I have temporarily changed it to S. Nelson to avoid putting a bad redirect to a deceased u.s. military article. SallyD1265 01:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Changed it back to Shawn Nelson but since I couldn't get rid of the link or find any wiki articles on him, I linked it to the Fullerton City Website.Shirley Ku 19:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Link Spam[edit]

While cleaning up the link spam from Bjimer I noticed that they added their links here back in January. Since it has been such a long time I will leave it up to the regular editors to decide if it should be kept. The edits in question are: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fullerton%2C_California&diff=104221176&oldid=103645116
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fullerton%2C_California&diff=next&oldid=104221176
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fullerton%2C_California&diff=prev&oldid=145367601
Mikemill 05:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Recent history[edit]

There is a proposal to develop the Coyote Hills area, the last undeveloped area in the city. This controversial issue has pitted local environmentalists and slow-growth activists (who argue that the city should seek state funding to buy the area and make into a park) against the pro-business and pro-growth City Council. There are also plans to build approximately 300 condominiums or apartments downtown, leading to more density.

This is poorly worded. Environmentalists and slow-growth proponents can be pro-business and pro-growth. If development and growth are done sustainably, there are many environmentalists who are OK with it. Building 300 residences downtown in an already developed area would also be supported as opposed to putting 300 houses of sprawl in an undeveloped area, especially if they're built using green building guidelines. There are also many businesses working to reduce their environmental impact, so I don't see how environmentalists would be opposed to their existence. As it's worded though, the impression I get is that the environmentalists and slow-growth proponents are anti-business and anti-growth, which doesn't even make sense since slow-growth obviously would still allow growth. And why are they called "activists" on here? Why not also call the City Council rapid-growth activists or pro-sprawl activists if you're going to use the word? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.146.239 (talk) 08:43, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

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Back and Forth edits to Nickname = fulas[edit]

What is with this "Nickname" being added and removed over and over?

Please provide some form of reference or justification for the "nickname" of the city being "fulas"

If no reference or reason can be cited, I suggest that this page be locked for a time to stop the back and forth changes. OChistory (talk) 06:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I live in Fullerton and I've never heard it called "Fulas" but I'll ask some teens I know and see if it's a young person thing. Shirley Ku (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC) A brief internet search shows that it's a nickname used by primarily hispanics? I did ask some teens and they had never heard of it though. ie http://13radicalriders14.blogspot.com/2005/08/your-town-moniker.html Shirley Ku (talk) 23:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
We have resided and/or worked in Fullerton for about thirty years and we haven't heard the term. My eighteen year old daughter also has never heard of it. However, we aren't Hispanic. Davefoc (talk) 16:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I've lived in fullerton for 30+ years, attended Troy High School, Fullerton Community College, and Cal-State Fullerton. I've never heard the city referred to as "F-town". Is this some slang-term used only by a small minority of inhabitants among themselves? If so, it has no place in this article until it comes into common use by a significant percentage of those people who actually live there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesUser (talkcontribs) 20:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I no longer live in Fullerton and was looking something up. I never heard the term. It's a Wikipedia troll power trip situation. We have one in my new town too. Some jerk whose main entries are for teen comedies tried to use Wikipedia to start a tougher, more "urban" sounding nickname. When people protested, well, that thrilled him. He'd forced grownups to notice him. After long debates in the Talk session, which he loved, finally, somebody made a sarcastic comment about his troll word in a local newspaper, mentioning the name-- and he jumped on it and said, "It's in a newspaper! Now you have to let me cite it." Just give up on this nonsense. Do not feed the trolls. Wikipedia isn't perfect. Profhum (talk) 18:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Early History[edit]

This is the opening sentence of the early history section:

Evidence of prehistoric habitation is present in Ralph B. Clark Regional Park in the northwest of the city.

I'm familiar with Ralph B. Clark Park and I haven't seen this evidence. I asked one of the leaders of the family fossil day outings that are put on by the park and he said that there was no evidence of early human habitation in the park and that if there was he would know about it. At the very least it seems like the quoted sentence requires a citation. --Davefoc (talk) 16:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Section section?[edit]

The Section section has one entry, Fuller Park.

Is there any official division of Fullerton into sections? If so what are the boundaries.

I found one real estate site that referred to a Fuller Park area of Fullerton, but I didn't find any description of what it was. Is this just the name of the housing development that these houses are located in? What did the person who added this section have in mind? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc (talkcontribs) 18:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Los Angeles Portal Link[edit]

Jojhutton deleted the link to the Los Angeles Portal article and Butros reinstated it.

Why? Fullerton is clearly not in the city of Los Angeles or the county of Los Angeles. I thought the Portal article might be about the Los Angeles metropolitan area that Fullerton is certainly part of, but when I looked at the Los Angeles Portal article it seemed to be about the city or perhaps the county of Los Angeles and not the metropolitian area. So why does Butros feel a link to an article about Los Angeles is appropriate for an article about a city in Orange, County? I think Jojhutton edit should be reinstated unless somebody can explain why the link in question is appropriate for an article on Fullerton.--Davefoc (talk) 05:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to delete the link to the Los Angeles Portal because: 1. Despite the fact that the name of the article has changed to Portal: Greater Los Angeles, the link still says Los Angeles. 2. The link uses a picture of the Los Angeles city seal which has nothing to do with an article on Fullerton. 3. Even if the name of the article has changed, it still starts off like it is an article about Los Angeles and not about Greater Los Angeles. 4. There are articles on Greater Los Angeles and the Los Angeles Metropolitan area. These articles are unambiguously about what they are titled as and if any articles like this should be linked to those would seem to have priority over an article which is not clearly related to something about Fullerton. --Davefoc (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Population figures[edit]

I'm reverting an edit which used an estimated population figure for January 1, 2010 from the California Department of Finance. I believe the usual practice for U. S. cities is to use the most recent U. S. census figures, in order to be consistent across all U. S. cities. Vgranucci (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Recent addition of history and errata[edit]

I like where the 20:30, 22 August 2011 edit is going, but there are parts that have problems with conjecture, weasel words, and opinion. Could someone help clean it up a bit? Vnarfhuhwef (talk)

Freedom of say's edits about the death of a homeless man that involved the Fullerton Police[edit]

I deleted the entire section. The wording was inflammatory, unsourced and in the style of a rant not appropriate for an encyclopedia.

I agree with Freedom of say that the story is important enough that it deserves mention in the article, however, I suspect that he realizes that the style of the section he added was inappropriate for Wikipedia. The story has attracted national attention and there are certainly adequate sources to document a brief NPOV overview of the story. Alternatively an external link to an article about the incident with a NPOV might be appropriate. --Davefoc (talk) 06:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Kelly Thomas[edit]

Since the deletion of the section it is of note that no one with an interest in this predominantly Republican city has ever been bothered to amend any details regarding this event. After all it does strike me as odd that the barbarous and disproportionate beating of a mentally-ill homeless man by paid law enforcement officers gets zero mention. Furthermore an aggravating feature of whole sad debacle is Thomas had nothing to do with the crime being investigated. If there was ever a poster boy for "being in the wrong place at the wrong time", Thomas would be that guy. He looked rough, he was acting odd, but are they reasons to beat him to death? If that ain't notable enough for the good citizens of Fullerton, all I can say is god help them!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.249.169 (talk) 01:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I support the addition of a section on this to the article. Since I deleted this section there is even more information about the case available and about some of the problems with regard to the Fullerton Police department have come to light. Even Republicans don't like to see the police beat the crap out of people and even if you are a Democrat I am sure it would be fine with Wikipedia if you wanted to create the section. --Davefoc (talk) 05:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I've added a short section on this. I've attempted to be NPOV, and I've given cites and a wikilink to the WP article on the killing of Thomas.--75.83.69.196 (talk) 02:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

deleted material about Fullerton Observer lawsuit[edit]

I've deleted the following: "In July 2010, the city of Fullerton and the Orange County Register newspaper legally challenged the Fullerton Observer to prove itself a newspaper. In response, the Fullerton Observer dropped its court case to be adjudicated a newspaper." This was inaccurate, since the issue was not whether the observer was a newspaper but whether it was a "newspaper of general circulation" that the city needed to print official notices in. It isn't, because it isn't biweekly and doesn't have paid subscribers. This lawsuit is of very low relevance in a general article about the city, and the material I deleted seems to be a thinly veiled POV jab at the Observer, whose left-wing politics are objectionable to many people in the city.--75.83.69.196 (talk) 02:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Current Political section[edit]

Is this kind of section typical of articles about cities?68.27.193.209 (talk) 12:50, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Fullerton Chamber of Commerce Website Link Incorrect[edit]

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