Talk:Fyodor Dostoevsky

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Former good article nomineeFyodor Dostoevsky was a Language and literature good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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June 27, 2012Peer reviewReviewed
August 26, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
October 10, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
October 19, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
December 26, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
January 6, 2013Peer reviewReviewed
January 26, 2013Featured article candidateNot promoted
March 1, 2013Peer reviewReviewed
April 4, 2013Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 4, 2013Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Legacy section - draft[edit]

I think that section is too clunky. I propose a more structured version: {{Collapse|1=

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Transliteration: Dostoyevsky vs Dostoevsky[edit]

In my humble opinion, the article should use the transliteration Dostoevsky (without the "y"). I own English translations of most of his works from three different publishers (Oxford University Press, Wordsworth Editions and Everyman) and they all use the transliteration without the "y"; as does the award-winning biography by Joseph Frank (published by Princeton University Press). Best Regards. 94.226.77.83 (talk) 15:19, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 March 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages, except no consensus to move the Saint Petersburg Metro station article, per the discussion below. There are a lot of instances to be changed on each page; please help with these. Dekimasuよ! 03:46, 9 March 2018 (UTC)



– The romanization of this famous Russian family's name has resulted in several variants throughout the years, but I believe the proposed move captures the dominant one which is used and to which we should make the move. The bibliography section sources dominantly use "Dostoevsky", Google Ngrams shows 3x the usage in books, Google Scholar shows 61,900 hits vs 32,600, and expert organizations like the International Dostoevsky Society and F. M. Dostoevsky Literary Memorial Museum spell it as such. Netoholic @ 00:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 00:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Oppose: the proposed spelling does not reflect how the name is pronounced. "Dosto-evsky", who's that? The purpose of transliteration from another alphabet is to accomplish a spelling that comes as closely as possible to the correct procunciation with regard to the language the name is transliterated to. That is why "Владимир" is transliterated into English as "Vladimir", but to German as "Wladimir" – due to the letter V (named fau, "fow") often being pronounced with an F sound in German, while "W" in German is pronounced as "V" in English. It seems to me that that "Dostoevsky" is just a letter-by-letter replacement of letters in the Cyrillic alphabet by letters in the Latin/English alphabet. The "y" does not have a corresponding letter in the Russian-language spelling, but it's nevertheless a important part of how the name is pronounced. Also, the spelling in the article title should be reflected in the body of text, not the other way around. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
That is terrible justification for opposing, bordering on original research. It's your personal opinion, and is countered by the expert opinions I've cited. Even using your claim, the current spelling often results in even more frequent mispronunciation (dos-TOY-ev-sky rather than dos-to-YEV-sky) which is even worse. I can assure you that after the page move, all uses of the name will be made consistent. The text will match the title... again, not a reason to oppose. --Netoholic @ 17:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
  • They are a completely separate issue. We need to remember that WP:VERIFIABLE is core policy, whereas WP:Romanization of Russian is just a guidance essay, not even a guideline. Decision on this specific name should only be based on reliable expert sources on this topic. It would be WP:OR to try to use either of those articles on our own, which is why WP:UE says if there is a common English-language form of the name, then use it, even if it is unsystematic. -- Netoholic @ 09:17, 3 March 2018 (UTC) (edited)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.