Talk:Galactic Empire (Star Wars)
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- 1 Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
- 2 Darth Maul
- 3 Vader
- 4 Fixed it up a bit
- 5 Question
- 6 First empire???
- 7 Ghormian massacre?
- 8 Sucessor?
- 9 Star Dreadnaught / Star Destroyer
- 10 Hitler's Empire
- 11 Galactic Empire (Star Wars)#Bad or Good?
- 12 Villain group ?
- 13 Introduction
- 14 xenophobia
- 15 Population
- 16 Roman Empire resemblance?
- 17 WP:OR
- 18 British Empire and American Empire
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
What is needed is some discussion of Skywalker's conversion to the Sith at around the same time as the establishment of the Empire. This would be simple - just a couple of sentences with appropriate references - Goldkill.
Palpatine's acceptance of Darth Maul was due to the fact that Darth Maul could be used as a powerful tool against the Empire's enemies. In other words, you don't crap where you eat. That was how I saw it, anyway. -- ヤギ
- It is partially modelled after Manchurian China.
Just a slight point, I changed Vader's title to 'Executor.' Main peice of evidence is that his flagship was named 'Executor', and Palpatine's was named 'Soveriegn'. Also the word Executor basically means someone given permission to act on your behalf, which is what Vader did. Finally, it's a lot nicer title than the current one and I dont believe Vader's title was ever officially mentioned.
- Right, Vader was never given an offical title. I was the one who came up with the original descripton "Emperor's assignee," as I needed something that said Vader was second-in-command and had power, but the Emperor was the all-powerful one and Vader sometimes served as a representaive of the Emperor. The best word a could find was "assignee," but "executor" is better.
- The Emperor's flagship was named Eclipse. A slightly smaller version of this unique vessel was designated Sovereign-class.
Fixed it up a bit
I fixed the article up a bit. --Kross 23:15, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
I have written a number of articles about the Empire, the Palpatinist system, and the Empire's collapse in the Analysis section of my website at Domus Publica, and I think the Wikipedia article would be well-served by a link to my own articles at that site. However, as I am the author of that site and am therefore not impartial, I wish to know if any other interested author agrees and would consent to linking to my site. The decision is not mine; I merely suggest it and await the response of interested parties. Publius 05:29, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Having read your articles, I personally think that they'd be a great addition to the links portion of this topic. Phongn 14:33, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I think you should link your site. Superstarwarsfan 23:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Is the empire Palpatine formed the first empire? I read somewhere that the kind of empire Palpatine instigated "hadn't been seen for millenia", implying that there had been a galactic empire before this one. Scorpionman 11:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
I really think that the Empire was established to fade away the aging Republic. That is why its rule was totalitarian, by sweeping away the corrupion in the senate and perhaps thew entire galaxy. Someone must review this article again to add some discussion about the Empire. MoffJerjerod123, 4:55, July 31st, 2005
The first galaxy-wide empire was instigated by Chancellor Palpatine. Yes, there was the Sith Empire, prior to the Ruusan Reformation. It existed alongside the Old Republic. Although it was much smaller than the Republic, it was much richer. It would be many hundreds of years later until the revenge of the Sith. It's capital was the sacred Sith burial world of Korriban. The Sith Empire was finally ended in the Battle of Ruusan. There was also the Infinite Empire of the Rakata (49,000 BBY-28,000 BBY), which consisted of a few isolated subject worlds such as Kashyyyk, Tatooine(which was a vast jungle planet at that time), Dantooine, etc.
- But wasn't the Sith Empire(s) more than 4000 years BBY? Astroview120mm 02:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
- there are like 3 sith empires (pre-war, post-war, new sith; its basically a play on the "3rd reich", hence the galactic empire is the fouth reich... aka EU, just kidding)... and sith empire wasn't really much smaller than the republic, as most of the sector were just 'allies' who liberally switch sides as the balance of power shifts. the last of the empire is not based in Korriban which has been reduce to ruins after the fall of the earlier empires... 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:30, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Someone made an article Ghormian Massacre that had been a redlink from here. I don't know anything about it, but the article was pretty bad (see here). I didn't wanna bother deleting the article, so I redirected it here. I tried googling on this but the only result was this article. Does anyone know more about this? Is it even canonical or is someone trying to slip in fan fiction? The lack of google results concerns me. Friday (talk) 04:49, 12 August 2005 (UTC) The Ghorman massacre is canonical, and depicts an event in which Governor Tarkin lands his shuttle on a mass of protestors blocking his landing pad on the planet Ghorman in the Sern sector.
He actually smashed them all with a Victory Star Destroyer (smaller version of the ones seen in the movies)that he landed on top of them User:Hibbidyhai
Who would of suceeded Palpitine to the Imperial Throne? I would assume Darth Vader, but Moff Tarikin seems a likely Candidate. Plus, Palpitine could have a Brother or some other blood realitive. Maybe somebody we don't know about, say in the books?(I have only seen the movies) The Republican 00:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- It was later revealed in the comic series that the Emperor had absolutely no intention of dying, and the strength in the Dark Side of the Force to ensure he wouldn't; thus, a moot point. When he died, Sate Pestage, the Grand Vizier, took over the Empire, though had he died of 'natural causes' and left a successor, my unprofessional, unqualified opinion is that Pestage would probably not have been the most likely candidate. Hope that helps. David Corbett 06:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Palpatine did have a few relatives- the only one to get close to the throne was assassinated by Noghri however (see the Dark Empire Sourcebook). Given his nature and actions during the Imperial Mutiny, my guess is he wanted whoever won the civil wars to succeed him. --maru (talk) contribs 20:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I thought that the Emporer did not set any succsessor, the people who sucseeded him did so because they wanted to, not because the Emporer wanted them to. I belive this because the Emporer thought he was immortal. Superstarwarsfan 23:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, the Emperor had no intention of dying. The "successor" was whoever gained control. Sate Pestage took over after the Emperors death but was forced to abdicate. The Director of Imperial Intelligence Iceheart took over for awhile, then the new Republic took Coruscant. After that, the Empire fractured into lots of groups, like Warlord Zjinsi. Then Grand Admiral Thrawn took over and unified the Empire, though he died. Control then shifted to Admiral Pallaeon who ruled for most of the time until the lastest Star War novels. Some people like Admiral Daala and the Ressurected Emperor took over for short amounts of time before the N.J.O. I don't know much about the Legacy Empire, though I assume it becomes a Monarchy again. User:Hibbidyhai
Star Dreadnaught / Star Destroyer
I changed the caption of the Executor to Star Destroyer, rather than Star Dreadnaught. I know that it is technically a dreadnaught. However, for clarity and consistency, I fell that Destroyer is more prudent. ddcrandall
Actually, if it isn't refered to as a Star Dreadnought it is referred to as a super star destroyer.-GangstaEB 12:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I view the Empire as more based on the Romans than the Nazis, however almost all governments that have cult of personality leaders tend to have similar structures and rises to power. SWVRoma 04:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think, there are more similarities with Hitler Germany than w/ the roman empire: the romans didn't have genocide and there was much less racism than in Hitler's empire or the SW-empire. But also some things seem to be taken from the roman empire, i.E. the name of the imperial senate, although it had far less power than the roman senate had even when Rome was ruled by emperors. So the senate's power can be compared to the power of the German Reichstag. So I think, it's based on both. --MrBurns (talk) 06:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I really like this section, but the entire thing absolutely reeks of original research. "Noted intellectuals"? The hell? Those two people don't have articles, and the only article that links to them is this one.
Someone cite some sources for all of it, please. EVula 21:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The Empire were really the good guys.--18.104.22.168 06:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- The evidence seems to speak to the contrary.--FVZA_Colonel 12:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
should it be noted that the stormtroopers were the peace keepers of the galaxy Cinco555 02:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
You can't base moral judgements of the Empire on the beliefs of individuals within it. You have to look at the Imperial system as a whole. I believe that the Empire is not evil, but Palpatine and many leaders are. They are two different things that are often, understandably, merged into one issue. Also, after Palpatine's downfall (the last one), the Empire came under the control of Grand Admiral Palleon who made the Empire far more democratized and, during the Yuuzhan Vong war and possibly afterwords, was far more efficient than the New Republic and just as free. Flag-Waving American Patriot 17:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Villain group ?
I will delete this from the category "Villain groups" because of the bad or good debate.Because Its too confuseing! the article says its a matter of debate but the category says that they are evil!
It really odd. Someone is making this page an edit war The Empire are traditionally the bad guys. i.e Any government that is okay with repressing freedom and annihilating entire planets can't be good. When the Empire finally signs a peace treaty witht the New Republic they become more less benign, even coming to the aide of the Republic. Also, Grand Admiral Pallaeon wasn't so bad. User:Hibbidyhai
I've begun the much-needed clean-up of this article, to bring it round to an out-of-universe viewpoint. The introduction is improved but could do with further work. I hope other people will take my lead and go through the rest of the article. Polocrunch 16:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried to improve the poorly written section on xenophobia. I'm not an expert on the Star Wars universe or critical review, so I made a few changes to improve readability. Impartiality could be dramatically improved and references should be added. --Rosenbluh 09:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, unfortunatly, there aren't many citations at all. This could be a wonderful article if there were more! I would do them, but I'm not a Star Wars expert [Although a big fan] and would be afraid of getting it wrong. Good luck to any editor who tries! Scarian 15:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The Galactic Empire contains nearly the whole galaxy. Acording to this map the known parts of the galaxy have a population of 10^17 sapient inhabitants. Because only a very small fraction of them were not in the empire, I think a population of 10°17 by the year 0 ABY should be added in the table. Alternatively the year 4 ABY can be used (this was the year of the Battle of Endor), but I think, this doesn't make a difference in the population. But one problem ist, that vthe population cannot be added in the table, which is used now (Template:Infobox StarWarsOrganizations). --MrBurns (talk) 06:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Roman Empire resemblance?
I've twice removed this content as uncited WP:OR. Per WP:BRD, I invite the contributing editor to articulate his/her rationale for making this content addition. --EEMIV (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
British Empire and American Empire
While writing whole paragraphs on remote resemblances between the Galactic Empire and German uniforms etc. it is interesting how nobody mentions the obvious resemblance with the British Empire:
- Pax Britannica = "I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire" Anakin Skywalker
- The whole context of the American Revolution, Empire vs rebels, Valley Forge = Battle of Hoth etc.
- Imperial navy = British navy
- Social Darwinism was invented and used to legitimize British imperialism
- Phantom Menace is about trade wars and plotting which leads to rise of the Empire, see British East India Company trade war against India and Jamaica (Jar Jar Binks = Caribbean savage)
- Core world against Outer Rim = UK vs US colony
- All imperial actors have strong British accents, most (if not all) rebels have American accents (Obi-Wan being a notable exception)
Also any reflecting Star Wars fan should immediately realize the resemblance with the American Empire. There is only one sentence in the article that could be expanded to refer to the recent “War on Terror”, the Vietnam War (someone referred to Ewoks as the Vietnamese people fighting against an evil Empire without having advanced technology) and most certainly the war on Iraq. The Patriot Act, the Big government takeover, emergency laws, the manipulation of the people to go to war on false pretexts and so much more!
By the way, Stormtroopers were German specialized infantry in WW1 and had nothing to do with the Sturmstaffel (SS).