Talk:Gangaridai

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Hello i m kind of new in wikipedia so far i have created this article and edited History of Bangladesh.I m particularly doing some kind of research on this topic.Please provide me with any other sources on this topic and leave me your comments and suggestions and offcource help me to give this article a wiki shape and and make this article a Good Article.Thank you.---nawab_of_dhaka

We can work on that. Aditya(talkcontribs) 17:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This article is false and inaccurate; I nominate this article for deletion[edit]

First Alexander the Great never made it to Bengal region. He didn't even enter heart of India. He stopped at Punjab region in the fear of powerful empire of Magadha ruled by the Nanda dynasty.

Along with Bihar, Bengal forms the ancient kingdom Magadha. During the time of Alexander the Great, Bengal was ruled by Nanda dynasty.

Please read history of Alexander the Great and history of Magadha. Tarikur 17:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, the article never says that Alexander went to the Bengal region. I have read from independent and dependable sources, that support the claim. Also, *this* article provides ample references to history research literature that support the information. So, there is no reason to nominate the article for deletion. Thanks. --Ragib 18:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The history part should be rewritten. I dont know, where from the writer got the idea that Gongaridai was an aryan Kingdom. Even Magadh wasnt fully aryanized back that time, let alone anything farther east. Recent excavation in Warry Boteshwar( the fort city is considered to be a part of this so called Gongaridai, more specifically bromhoputro civilization) proves that east india specially Bengal was not an aryan populated place back then. In Boteshwar, several foundings suggest that it was probably a dravidian kingdom, seals like harappa were also available to suggest the nativity of its citizens)---Parvez Alam


Most of the points above are well made. However the conception of aryanisaton of Magadha or for that matter any other ancient kingdom is irrelevent. This due to the fact that the Aryan invasion/influx theory has been soundly denounced by experts ranging from the fields of anthropological genetics to historians.

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Parvez Alam bhai, do read the above link. It gives a nice overview and also has the relevant references.

Also, Diodorus Siculus (first century B.C.) has this to say on the origins of the people of the sub-continent :

"It is said that India, being of enormous size when taken as a whole, is peopled by races both numerous and diverse, of which not even one was originally of foreign descent, but all were evidently indigenous; and moreover that India neither received a colony from abroad, nor sent out a colony to any other nation. The legends further inform us that in primitive times the inhabitants subsisted on such fruits as the earth yielded spontaneously, and were clothed with the skins of the beasts found in the country, as was the case with the Greeks; and that, in like manner as with them, the arts and other appliances which improve human life were gradually invented, Necessity herself teaching them to an animal at once docile and furnished not only with hands ready to second all his efforts, but also with reason and a keen intelligence. "

discovery of harappan like seals doesn't mean a Dravidian civilization. The vedic civilization is better seen as a pre-cursor to the Indus-valley civilization. Subsequent Indian religion and culture carried over much of the influence of the Indus valley civilization. 59.160.210.68 (talk) Nirvik. —Preceding comment was added at 01:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Aryan invasion theory, due to its very nature, can neither be proven or disproven. Virtually all of the "evidence" of a native Aryan culture comes from documents that are of Aryan origin. On the other hand, bulk of the "evidence" of the Aryan culture's being foreign comes from sources that are at odds with documents of Aryan origin. So, this will never be solved. However, the fact remains that a few different archaic ethnic groups have inhabited South Asia for a few millenia - Aryans and Dravidians being the most populous of these. It is undeniable that these population groups may have moved in large numbers at various times either by war or economic immigration. Much of the renunciation of any such migration theories has religious or political motives and are hard to take seriously. Whether Aryans are natives or not is hardly relevant to the study of the actual immigration patterns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.206.42.66 (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Factual Accuracy[edit]

I think the factual accuracy of this article is beyond questionable.During the invasion of Alexander there were two kingdoms in eastern India - Magadha Empire which was also known as Nanda empire or Prasii (Prachi)and an united kingdom of Vanga-Kalinga which was known as Gangaridai according to the name of the capital city -Ganga.When Vanga was conquered by the Mauriyans the centre of power shifted from Bengal to Kalinga until it was conquered by Asoka.The Kalinga war had been mentioned as the 'Battle of the Gangaridai' in the poem Georgics by Virgil.And it is with the Mauriyan conquest that the Aryan culture starts to flow in Bengal.I never mentioned Gangaridai was an Aryan kindom ,may be it was a Dravidian kingdom ,probably the last Dravidian kingdom in the Aryavarta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.18.228.137 (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

A little help[edit]

With a little help this article could to wonders. Any takers? Aditya(talkcontribs) 04:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Location of the kingdom[edit]

I think there should be some elaboration about this historical(?) kingdom's location and boundary. To me the kingdom if existed might have included parts of modern West Bengal. But there is no proof or citation that says that the Kingdom included modern Bangladesh. Any thought? Miniman77 (talk) 09:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)