Talk:Genghis Khan

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Moreover the Yasa forbade maruan that is spies but probably only if determined against the Mongols (also Councils of Wang Mang)

New paragraph[edit]

It is unclear if Mongolia did not protect the Huns from genocide because I was interested in photographs on the Google Image List.

Video game reference[edit]

Maybe add the reference to "World Heroes" game saga (where another historical characters appear, with changed names too) in the video game apparitions? He appears as Jenghis Carn (or Julius Carn, region variations).

Novels[edit]

In the mostly fictional historical wuxia novel Condor Heroes the main hero Guo Jing grew up in Mongolia and was a respected soldier, friend, student and sworn brother of the mongols. He became Genghis' son Tolui's anda and also Genghis' daughter Hua Zheng is betrothed to him as a reward. The Khan near the end of the first story tries to force Guo Jing to fight with him against China although he is chinese but fails to and they part on bad terms at the end of the story. The story mixes fiction with fact tying in with the Khan's rise to power, overthrowing the Jins later vs the early chapters where the Mongols are subservient to them but their potential as an enemy is not unnoticed. This should definitely get a mention of a novel depicting the Khan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:1CFA:8100:EDE0:522D:8D79:234A (talk) 23:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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--Manuel Riguera (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Additional Clarity on Genghis's massacres and atrocities needed[edit]

Currently it's too easy for a new reader to get a wrong impression of Genghis Khan due to insufficient clarity and nuance in the article. Using such a loaded word as genocidal gives one the impression of a Hitler, who killed his own people, but that is very different than killing ones enemies like Genghis. Genghis's massacres were done strategically, not for enjoyment like a Tamerlane, and the large number of deaths was simply due to the large numbers of people he conquered. He was certainly no more ruthless than many of his contemporaries, such as the European slaughter of the Albigensians or the Muslims in Spain. Due to the lack of Mongol numbers, Genghis believed they to create a ruthless and fearsome reputation to both deter revolts (the Mongols incurred very few for an empire of their size) and to induce potential future enemies to surrender instead of fight. Genghis's policy was actually 'surrender or die,' and this should be mentioned at the bare minimum, because all of his opponents had a chance to save their lives and they chose to fight instead. Those who surrendered immediately were given a valued role in the empire, such as the Uyghurs. Those who fought him were treated to a varying degree depending on how long and how difficult their resistance was: the more of an obstacle they were, the worse they were treated; surrendering toward the end of a siege sometimes let them be spared, but not always. Those who betrayed him suffered the harshest penalties, as revenge was very important to the Mongols.

Except in situations of military urgency, he always spared artisans and skilled workers, while on the other hand he was always particularly brutal towards the nobility and ruling elite because they were viewed as more likely to revolt. Furthermore, Genghis deliberately spread rumors about supposed atrocities and ruthlessness because he believed it would help cow future opponents and save Mongol lives. These rumors often became widespread and ended up as 'facts' in his later history, such as Genghis supposedly killing the governor of Otrar by pouring molten silver on him, or supposedly killing the entirety of the Tangut population, and this heavily influenced his legacy.

Some sources: Frank McLynn, Genghis Khan (2015). Chris Peers, the Mongol War Machine (2015). Jack Weatherford, Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. Timothy May, the Mongol War Machine. 73.247.69.66 (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)Baldwin

Someone with editing powers please include this relevant quote[edit]

Genghis Khan's legacy in military strategy, by Douglas MacArthur:

"Were the accounts of all battles, save those of Genghis Khan, effaced from the pages of history ... the soldier would still possess a mine of untold wealth from which to extract nuggets of knowledge useful in molding an army for future use ...[his] successes are proof sufficient of his unerring instinct for the fundamental qualifications of an army. He devised an organization appropriate to conditions then existing; he raised the discipline and the morale of his troops to a level never known in any other army,... he spent every available period of peace to develop subordinate leaders and to produce perfection in training throughout the army, and, finally, he insisted upon speed in action, a speed which by comparison with other forces of his day, was almost unbelievable. Though he armed his men with the best equipment of offense and defense that the skill of Asia could produce, he refused to encumber them with loads that would immobilize his army. Over great distances his legions moved so rapidly and secretly as to astound his enemies and practically to paralyze their powers of resistance.... On the battlefield his troops maneuvered so swiftly and skillfully and struck with such devastating speed that times without number they defeated armies overwhelmingly superior to themselves in number... he clearly understood the unvarying necessities of war. It is these conceptions that the modern soldier seeks to separate frum the details of the Khan's technique, tactics, and organization. So winnowed from the chaff of medieval custom and of all other inconsequentials, they stand revealed as kernels of eternal truth, as applicable today in our efforts to produce an efficient army as they were when, seven centuries ago, the great Mongol applied them to the discomfiture and amazement of a terrified world."

Source: Christopher D. Bellamy, The Evolution of Modern Land Warfare (London: Routledge, 1990), p. 195.