Talk:Gennadius of Constantinople

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The result of the move request was: Pages moved  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


Patriarch Gennadios I of ConstantinopleGennadius of Constantinople — Disambiguation by title is unecessary as no other individuals share the exact name. WP:COMMONNAME for both officials. Gennadios Scholarios is equally as acceptable as Gennadius Scholarius for Patriarch Gennadios II of Constantinople Labattblueboy (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

  • I really don't have an opinion on the first, although per WP:NCWC the existing name is OK. For the second though, I would support a move to Gennadios Scholarios or Gennadius Scholarius, which is the name he is most commonly referred to by (overwhelmingly so in Greek). I definitively favour the former form, given the more recent & growing trend of using the Greek-transliterated forms and not the Latinized ones for names of the Byzantine era and beyond. Constantine 17:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Agreed. On a second look (corroborated by the GoogleBooks search), Gennadius I would also fall under naming style for saints, so the form Gennadius of Constantinople is perfectly acceptable. Constantine 19:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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A large paragraph was added to the page on 26 December 2007. When it was added it was added with no references, so I am removing it as it is either a WP:copyright violation, WP:Plagiarism, or WP:OR. As I do not know its status, I am adding it here in a collapsed box. If it turns our to be a copyright violation then please remove it. If it turns out to from a PD source then please re-add it to the article with a reliable source. If it is OR then please check to see if there are sources that can back up the facts and claims in it, and only add those parts that can be verified with reliable sources.

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Gennadios is said to have died in Cyprus at the village of Moro Nero, in the Paphos district. A church to his name was built over his grave where it stands in ruins to this day. The story is as follows:

Saint Gennadios selected Cyprus to make his hermitage. Thus, after he foresaw his end, he hurried and enthroned a successor for the Patriarchate and withdraw. His successor was Akakios,a man of recognized ability and virtue. He put on a leather bag for hermits, and left at night from Constantinople. Along with his devoted monk, Nile, he went to the Holy Land. After he saw and paid his respects to the Golgotha, and the Grave of Christ, he proceeded for Cyprus. He reached Paphos and without any delay he left monk Nile there, and alone he began to go to the mountain which before the hermit Hilarionas the Great had set up his hermitage there. The distance from the city was big. Tired,the old man walked slowly. Thus before he reached his destination, it began to get dark and a snow storm started. In order to find shelter from the storm,he started to walk faster and reached the village of Kissopetra (the old name of the village of Moro Nero) which was near to where he wanted to go. He asked for shelter in a house where a widow with her two children lived. He knocked the door of house many times. He called and requested for help,but no one opened for him. The result is not difficult for us to conclude. The Saint froze to death from the cold during the night and died. In the morning of the next day they found him dead. The merciless widow and her children were also half dead from the cold. Someone from the village took the news to the Bishop of Paphos. Bishop Iperorios sent a priest and another man to the village in order to arrange the burial of the monk. This is the impression that the dead hierarch gave. The man reached first before the priest and announced to everybody in the village the coming of the priest whom they waited for. However,when the priest reached outside the village,where a waterspring was situated, he was forced to stop because instead of the water spring,he saw a big and an immense river in front of the village. He was afraid to return back and another envoy from the village run to the Bishop and reported to him that the priest did not go and asked the Bishop to take care for the funeral of the monk. At that moment the priest also arrived and he explained that the reason that he did not go to the village was the existence of a very big river,which was found in front of the village. This explanation took the curiosity of the Bishop, and after he called all the priests of city, he began along with them, and with crowds of people, to head for the village. Truly, when they reached near the water spring, they saw with big surprise that in the place of the water spring there was an enormous river, but also a darkness above the water. The Bishop understood that the deceased for whom they spoke about, could not have been a common monk. He was certain that he was a great saint and that they could not reach him because they were unworthy to approach him. After long and devoted prayers, the river disappeared, the darkness was dissolved and the water spring appeared once again. The bishop named the spring Homoron Hydor (that is to say Adjacent Water). Thus,this is today the name of the known village of Moro Nero which is near Episkopi in Paphos. After the disappearance of the river, the Bishop along with the priests and the people went to the place where Gennadios was found dead. When they reached his body, they kissed it with devotion and the Bishop ordered for the motionless and half dead widow with her children,to be brought and be put near the Saint's body. After that,the devoted Bishop Iperorios knelled in front of the body and prayed. From her part the woman asked from the foreign monk to forgive her and have her health back again. The miracle happened at once . The half-dead woman and her children got their life back in a moment's time. They could move, they could get up, they could walk. Young and old, they all burst out in chatting and with teardrops they glorified God and his unknown Saint. In a short time crowds of people from the city and the neighbouring parts who had heard what had happened, began to arrive up to the small village in order to see and kiss the miracle giving monk. Among the ones who came was also Gennadio's devoted monk Nile. A very moving scene followed after he saw the dead hierarch. He fell over the Saint's body and with cries and shoutings he was mourning for his spiritual father-his Geronda. This is how he called the dead monk. Bishop Iperorios called monk Nile and asked to tell him the identity of the dead monk.In the beginning Nile denied to tell him.Later however, he revealed who the mysterious monk was." My Bishop", he said to him, "this foreign and humble monk, is Gennadios, the previous Patriarch of Constantinople" In hearing of the name,Bishop Iperorios got up and deeply moved, gave command for the appropriate coffin for the dead Patriarch to be prepared. Later, after they placed the saint's body in it, with hymns and incense, they raised it with candles and in a holy procession they transported him in order to be buried at the Bishopric. As soon as the men who held the coffin moved and reached the spot where later the church of Saint Gannadios was built, they felt a big tiredness overtaking them and they put down the coffin in order to rest a little. Later,when they tried to raise him again and move, it became impossible. The coffin could not be moved. No-one could believe how it got rooted in the ground. This made them understand that the Saint wanted to be buried in that place. This is what took place. They buried him there and later the people built a church to his name. In this church, his traveling companion Saint Nile, was ordained into a sub deacon before he died a little afterwards. The ruins of this church which was built in Saint Gennadios memory survive at the village of Moro Nero to this day.

--PBS (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)