Talk:George Galloway

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Galloway's alleged support of Trump over Clinton[edit]

This statement is wrong, for the simple reason that it is an example of the fallacy of the excluded middle. If Galloway says that Trump is a monster and Clinton is a bigger monster; it need not mean that he supports one over the other. It can mean that he supports neither one. A couple of news reports did interpret his comments as saying the former, but he clearly meant the latter.

This is made clear in this article in The Irish Times, straight from the horse's mouth.

On the US presidential election, Mr Galloway supports US Green Party candidate Jill Stein, but said he was misrepresented in recent reports suggesting he was in favour of US Republican party presidential candidate Donald Trump.

“I believe both Trump and Clinton are as dangerous as each other,” he said.

I suggest replacing the paragraph by the following:

In the 2016 US election, George Galloway supported US Green Party candidate Jill Stein. On the major party candidates, Galloway said variously: "Hillary Clinton is even more dangerous for America and the world than is Donald Trump. Trump is a monster. Clinton a bigger monster." and "I believe both Trump and Clinton are as dangerous as each other". Kingsindian   06:07, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

We can add the sentence "Galloway later backtracked, saying he considered Trump and Clinton equally dangerous. Galloway said he supported US Green Party candidate Jill Stein."„Snooganssnoogans (talk) 09:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I find it very interesting how many people are trying to assassinate this man's character because of his disagreement with zionism - a form of ethnonationalism that has resulted in apartheid. Disgusting. Goldengirlsdeathsquad (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
No, that's absurd. There's no indication that he supported Trump in the first place, and where does this "backtracking" language come from? His first statement is largely consistent with the second one; it's just a clarification that he supports neither candidate.

If I say that communism is monstrous and Nazism is even more monstrous, and moreover that I am (a Liberal or Conservative or Social Democrat or Anarchist or Green); one wouldn't spin this declaration as "Kingsindian supports communism over Nazism". Kingsindian   10:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

One candidate is preferable over another candidate =/= both candidates are equally bad. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 10:09, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
What does that have to do with anything? In a multiparty system, people are allowed to support third-party candidates. This is absurd spin. Here's an interview between Galloway and Jill Stein from Feb 2016, before the tweet in the Politico article. In this interview, he says that Stein is the best candidate in the race, and calls Trump a "fascist". That is supporting Trump? Kingsindian   10:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
We can add too to the article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I fully agree with Kingsindian here; saying that Galloway supports Trump is just being silly (at best). --NSH001 (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Text never said he supported Trump. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 10:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
The quote about Galloway considering Clinton to be "more dangerous than Trump" is already present in my version (see the second sentence). It is what Galloway said, minus the absurd spin of "Galloway supported Trump over Clinton", which is the current text. Kingsindian   10:46, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
The current text says: "In the 2016 presidential election, Galloway favored Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, saying "Hillary Clinton is even more dangerous for America and the world than is Donald Trump. Trump is a monster. Clinton a bigger monster."" This reflects what Galloway said, and it reflects what the RS says. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 10:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

───────────────────────── I'm not going to argue over this any more, since you're obviously not going to change your mind. <Wikilawyering mode: ON> The current text should be removed per WP:ONUS, because it is both wrong and misleading, and has no consensus. I proposed a new text that can be implemented or not, based on consensus. I don't much care if the latter happens, but the former should be done. Unfortunately, the page is locked, otherwise I would have done it myself. Kingsindian   11:08, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Can someone put up an admin edit request for this to be included, since it has consensus (in clude me)?

In the 2016 US election, George Galloway supported US Green Party candidate Jill Stein. On the major party candidates, Galloway said variously: "Hillary Clinton is even more dangerous for America and the world than is Donald Trump. Trump is a monster. Clinton a bigger monster." and "I believe both Trump and Clinton are as dangerous as each other". Kingsindian   06:07, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

As it is the locked in page is a WP:BLP violation in making an inference about Galloway's fantasied support of Trump not in the source, and therefore should be removed immediately by the supervising admin. Nishidani (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
There is not consensus for that version. Galloway said he favored Trump over Clinton, and then later said that they were equally dangerous. The text should reflect that he backtracked. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Let me do some elementary arithmetic.
For the WP:BLP/WP:OR violation
For Kingsindian's emendation which sticks to the known facts, and removed the BLP/OR violation
I.e. You are on your own against three editors, The consensus is for removal, and replacement of the defective piece by the passage crafted by Kingsindian. Nishidani (talk) 12:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
No, BLP demands that we adhere to reliable sources. BLP also requires that we don't whitewash and misrepresent content. Galloway clearly says he favored Trump over Clinton and later that he considered them equal. Why noting that simple fact is problematic for you, I do not know. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
The reliable sourece does not support your strategic manipulation of its text. It states five things:
  • (1)“Hillary Clinton is even more dangerous for America and the world than is Donald Trump.”
  • (2) Galloway continued on Twitter, attacking Clinton as unable to compete in a general election with Trump.
  • (3) He urged Sanders, who like Galloway’s Respect Party backs a policy agenda based in democratic socialism, to run a third-party campaign for president with Green Party presidential candidate Dr. Jill Stein as his running mate.
  • (4) “Trump is a monster. Clinton a bigger monster. And he is sure going to monster her,” Galloway wrote in a second tweet.
  • (5)“Sanders should run as an Independent with @DrJillStein as his running mate @SenSanders,” he posted minutes later.
In boiling this down to

*In the 2016 presidential election, Galloway favored Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, saying "Hillary Clinton is even more dangerous for America and the world than is Donald Trump. Trump is a monster. Clinton a bigger monster

You have deliberately distorted the source and misrepresented the facts on Wikipedia.
The evidence in your source shows without a shadow of ambiguity, in the 2016 elections Galloway did not favour Trump over Clinton. He (a) attacked Clinton as incompetent to run against Trump,(b) stated both were monsters; (c) said Trump, the lesser monster, would get the better of Clinton, and (d)advised Sanders to run against both.
This is clear-cut. Three editors can see the obvious, and your distortion, with no third party backing, is the one that, injuriously, remains on the page. Disgraceful. (And I have no brief for Galloway).Nishidani (talk) 13:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
If you can't comprehend that "Hillary Clinton is even more dangerous for America and the world than is Donald Trump" means one is worse than the other, then I don't know what I can do for you. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Only an illerate or a malevolent editor can spin that to mean

*In the 2016 presidential election, Galloway favored Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton

Learn to read, or stay off this page.Nishidani (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Politico: "[Galloway] says he prefers Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton."[1] It's weird how RS happen to agree with me on this. But yeah, I'm the one who needs to learn to read. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @Nishidani: There's no use in arguing with people if they aren't going to change their mind. I have opened an RfC below. Kingsindian   17:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever seen someone screw up a RfC as badly as yours. You do realize that an RfC is supposed to resolve a dispute? You don't even seem to understand what this dispute is about. Bizarre. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2018[edit]

Can we change the 'party' field from 'Independent (politician)' to the canonical link 'Independent politician'. This is to allow for easier use of the structured data. Thank you. 2A00:23C5:318B:E200:C069:B4ED:C36F:4BF8 (talk) 00:16, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Done. Rwendland (talk) 08:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 07 February 2019[edit]

The current header describes Galloway as "A long-standing associate of Jeremy Corbyn", but this is not supported by the text in the Guardian article that is used as a reference. The article describes them as "fellow members of the parliamentary left’s awkward squad: war-opposers, all-purpose leadership-defiers, anti-Blairites incarnate", but this is a description of their views and actions not a common membership in actual "awkward squad". 81.154.149.167 (talk) 21:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes I agree. I have removed that part of the sentence in the header.Burrobert (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2019 (UTC)