Talk:George Orwell

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Anti-nationalist[edit]

Was Orwell an "anti-nationalist"? If he was, shouldn't the article text make this clear, before the Category:Anti-nationalists is added? I don't see him listed at Anti-nationalism. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:08, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I am wondering if the addition of the category is based on his essay Notes on Nationalism? AusLondonder (talk) 23:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
That would probably be a good source on which to base such a classification. And a quote from a respected commentator or critic, supporting such, shouldn't be too hard to find. But I think it might be better to establish his credentials in the article before just blindly adding the Category. Surprising that essay is linked only in the footnotes. But is it agreed that those views, written in 1945 and born out of his experience and a World War are representative of his in lifelong views in general? Maybe we don't have to. Animal Farm is not a million miles away, is it. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure Orwell was an anticommunist.[edit]

Thing is, Eric Blair sided with the libertarian communists in the Spanish civil war. At least, he did in retrospect. His works are entirely critical towards Marxist-Leninist Vanguardism and similar derivations, as opposed to communism as a whole. I mean, he focused on the social structures of the Soviet Union, which is entirely irrelevant to communism. Due to how communism is strictly defined as an economic framework that may be used as an ideological component.

To lump him in with anticommunists seems a bit disrespectful to his memory. Since, from what I've read, he hated those guys. He wasn't a supporter of Franco, or Pinochet, or Diem. He was just critical of a certain type of communistic ideology. He wasn't fighting the concept as a whole. He didn't mind libertarian communists. So how can he be an anti-communist if he's fine with the majority of communist thinkers? Just because Rosa Luxembourg and Buenaventura Durruti aren't as popular in mainstream history as, say, Lenin or Stalin, doesn't mean that communism just has one singular definition.

At least, that's my impression.

So, to clarify, I think Eric Blair was critical of communism, but I don't think he rejected it wholesale in an absolutist polarised type of way like he rejected fascism. It's important to remember how these things are a bit relative, and how you can't use language to paint things black and white all the time. That's what his writing was all about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.227.83.117 (talk) 12:38, 14 June 2016 (UTC)