Talk:George Zimmerman

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BLP violation[edit]

This should be removed: "Hallinan is known for announcing that Muslims were not welcome at his store which was "Muslim free"." It is not relevant to Zimmerman's article, and lends WP:UNDUE for negative views of Zimmerman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.40.75 (talk) 09:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see that. Nearly every source reports on Zimmerman's connection to Hallinan and his Muslim-free store which is what Hallinan is best known for. As the other quote says, his association with Hallinan brings together multiple issues. There is no negative view of Zimmerman. -- GreenC 13:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Agree with GreenC. This bit is worthy of mention largely because of Hallinan's notoriety, which has been reported by independent secondary sources. VQuakr (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

We have a couple of images of him, but we're not using any. How come? Informant16 25 September 2015

Archive 2 includes an RfC about the infobox image. We do use a photo of him a little later down in the article. VQuakr (talk) 00:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Zimmerman posts a picture of Martin's corpse on Twitter[edit]

[1]. Do we want to include this? Zimmerman is getting attention for it. -- GreenC 17:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

References

Given the secondary coverage, I think it probably rates an additional sentence in the "Media perceptions" section. VQuakr (talk) 18:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Ok.. I don't like spreading this crap but it's part of his bio. He must have a death wish, he's already been attacked at least once. -- GreenC 20:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
What is known of the motive or intent of the person who tweeted the photo, or Zimmerman's motive or intent in re-tweeting? (Is it possible to auto-re-tweet a tweet w/o opening attachments?) I see a lot of swatting because people don't like the guy. Then in the follow up, incidents are not quite how they were spun -- such as Shellie and her dad removing stuff not on the divorce agreement from her and George's home, then her mom accusing George of stealing it when she recliamed the house Shellie and George had rented. The news covers the incriminatory accusation, but not the exculpatory explanation. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
I haven't heard anything. We are not speculating in the article (and there is little point to speculating here); we keep it terse and non-judgmental. VQuakr (talk) 19:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Why open the article with a remark about citizenship?[edit]

The very beginning of the article starts by saying "George Michael Zimmerman (born October 5, 1983) is a United States citizen". I can't think of any other article anywhere on Wikipedia that starts with a statement about citizenship, and I don't see any reason to question or remark about Zimmerman's citizenship. He was born and raised and seems to have lived his whole life in the United States, so it seems pretty obvious that he would be a citizen, but I see no reason to make that the first thing we say about him. Lots of articles start by saying that someone is American or British or something of that sort, but I've never seen citizenship mentioned directly at the opening, and I can't think of any reason why Zimmerman's citizenship is particularly important. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:24, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

That's not all the sentence says. If he was from Afghanistan we would say ""George Michael Zimmerman (born October 5, 1983) is an Afghani known for.." which is pretty typical phrasing. It used to say "American" but someone objected since "America" could mean "of the Americas". However I would not object to restoring it to "American" since that is usually self-evidence what is meant. -- GreenC 19:52, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
"American" is fine, and is normal encyclopedic phrasing. "United States citizen" is extremely strange, as if his citizenship is somehow in question or is a key part of what makes him notable. This uses the normal meaning of "American" in the description of a person, and if there is any doubt about what that word normally means, readers can follow that link to the article about Americans to obtain the necessary clarification. (I recall once trying to clarify this issue myself in the Rye whiskey article, and was rapidly reverted by a consensus that American whiskey did not include Canadian whisky.) —BarrelProof (talk) 03:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

New Photo of George Zimmerman[edit]

I cannot add this to the page because I have not made any edits in a while.

Here is the code:

Portrait of George Zimmerman taken in Orlando Florida on October 31, 2015

Please advise.

Peter Duke (talk) 10:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Peter, my first impression was you copied the image off the web. See the profile picture at George Zimmerman's Twitter site.[1] However the photo at Twitter is a lower quality then this one, and this one includes the camera metadata, so it's not a web copy. Also you are a professional photographer as Google search shows.[2] I think you, and the photo, are probably legit. I will go ahead and add it, but don't be surprised if someone tries to delete it from Commons, who didn't do the research I have and simply assumed it was a web copy. Also you have little history of uploading to Commons. To protect the image from possible deletion the procedure is to submit a OTRS ticket so that you can be verified as the real Peter Duke, and not a fake Peter Duke. Professional quality pictures like this of famous people usually come under tighter scrutiny as copyright violations in particular when versions are visible elsewhere on the web. -- GreenC 17:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

It looks like that Twitter feed is down as of today, but Google provides an apparently intact archive at [3]. I'm not too clear though if there was previously a way to get a higher-res version out of Twitter than is displayed on the page normally. Wnt (talk) 15:14, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I looked with Google reverse image search and was unable to find a higher res version anywhere. -- GreenC 15:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Also it appears George's Twitter account was suspended yesterday or today for Tweeting nude photos of a woman he claimed to be dating. -- GreenC 15:41, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
@Green Cardamom: At least on the archived feed above, and apparently as reproduced (blurred) in news reports, neither photo shows a nipple, let alone anything south of that. If we get to updating we should be careful to note it is nothing more than that a person might guess she was nude when the photo was taken. This might be an outing/harassment/libel issue but apparently revenge porn cannot be alleged since it was basically "PG". Wnt (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

BigDuke6 are you asserting that you personally took that photograph? Gaijin42 (talk) 15:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)