Talk:German Shepherd

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Former good articleGerman Shepherd was one of the Natural sciences good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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If you work with Shepherd at first time, it would be better to hire an experienced instructor. You can begin training with a two-month old puppy, put it through feeding, so that your pet will have an incentive to get sweets for following an order.

If you decided to train your "German" all by yourself, we suggest you to have a look at basic mistakes are made in the process of training.

Educating a future champion such commands as "Sit!", "Stop!" and "Down" don't make such mistakes:
• the order is followed after the direct effects;
• strong jerk of the leash and arm-twisting;
• the order is followed staticky and under the same circumstances;
• lack of command and gestures;
• long-term studies.

Edit of September 30, 2018[edit]

Is that back-coated or black-coated?

Wolf-dog hybrids?[edit]

Hello, I was wondering why this article has been added to the category "wolf-dog hybrids"? The nickname "Alsatian Wolfdog" (or for instance in Finnish, "susikoira" - literally "wolf dog") has came from the GSD's appearance, especially in the time when they were often more or less greyish sable/ greyish agouti in colour, not because of "crossbreeding with a wolf". --Canarian (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

the wolfdog article also states that the German Shepherd has some degree of wolf admixture at its origin. I've read in a book once that this is a myth, even though it doesn't go at any greater length at refuting it than stating so and joking/stating it would be a bit nonsensical to mixture wolf genes/blood in a breed intended as a shepherd of sheep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:25, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Move Hitler's dog's section[edit]

It seems a bit odd that Hitler's dog is first in the history section, it has nothing to do with the history of the breed. At best that paragraph should be moved to notable individuals section. (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Aggression and Biting wording[edit]

The wording of the aggression and biting section seems to be slightly unclear. I believe that what they are claiming is that once the high number of German Shepherds as pets was taken into account, the large number of the reports on biting and aggression made sense due to the big population. The percentage and ranking was then comparatively decreased significantly. This seems to be what is intended, but the wording made me question whether or not this was clear. Cranein (talk) 01:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Example Photo is pretty ugly[edit]

The outline of the dog is difficult to make out and makes the dog's head look skinny and unnatural. I don't know if it's the lighting or what, but I would recommend picking a different photo. Heck, the profile picture of the current photo's uploader would be a better fit than this, or just about any other photo of hers.

For reference, I'm referring to this photo: (talk) 02:09, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Beg to differ, that's a wonderful photo. Ugly? Eye of the beholder. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:50, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Still, if the article was German Shepherd Dog Head, it would be a suitable picture. I don't think the other one is ugly, but the full body one does represent the GSD better (though a smooth stock coat might be even better.) --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 00:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
I tend to agree that the current picture does not give an adequate appreciation of the breed, a side on full body picture would be much more appropriate. Cavalryman (talk) 08:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Reverted. There are a dozen side-images on the page, and the frontal headshot shows both the look and the emotion of the dog. With different opinions here, an RfC may be appropriate for this question. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Randy Kryn, there are three contributors above saying the current image is not appropriate for the infobox, your views alone support the current image. Please outline why an image that does not provide an adequate appreciation of the breed is appropriate the template whose purpose is to summarise the breed. Cavalryman (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I concur with JPG that the pix needs to show the entire dog and not just its head, else there is little difference when compared with the Saarloos wolfdog, Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, and other GSD-like or derived breeds. William HarrisCanis lupis track.svgtalkCanis lupis track.svg 23:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Alas, this image of a happy looking dog neglected to show off her "good (whole) side"
I seem to be outbarked here. Thought that the present image presents some emotion from the dog as well as portraying the breed. If a side view has to be used, how about something like this image, which would keep some feeling to the image and retain an aesthetic sense in the opening picture while showing the standard full body side view. At least another candidate for the image. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I had considered that one but personally think the other I added shows a better proportioned healthier animal. Some of the candidates I found were:

My preferred
Randy Kryn’s preferred
Version before current headshot
IMO a terrible example of reckless breeding
WikiData image, again IMO back too sloped

I think we should avoid an example with a back too sloped, it has been a reckless distortion of the showring breeders that has resulted in an unhealthy breed. Cavalryman (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

The cropped version used as the former image
Yes, the poor breeding results in the swayed back as well as spreading the persistent hip problems in older shepherds. Your image is interesting, but I don't remember seeing that color pattern before (not saying I'm an expert). Personally like the water background for the aesthetics. The pre-headshot image is a good one and could be returned without a problem (and thanks for the infobox clean up), but I went searching commons for a "better" image and came upon the happy female, which I thought was a good representation of an often maligned breed. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:53, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
I was never a huge fan of that image, my order of preferences is left to right of my lineup (acknowledging the cropped versions the actual version). The colour on the left is found in the working lines, these lines are becoming more popular as the health of the breed deteriorates through poor breeding practices (in Australia and the UK anyway, I cannot speak for the US). Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 07:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC).
Regarding the current pix, that should not be lost. It would be ideal under a section on behaviour, but unfortunately we do not have one at present. Is anyone interested in locating a few paragraphs for a new section to accompany this pix? William HarrisCanis lupis track.svgtalkCanis lupis track.svg 09:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Good idea, and it is a nice image. I'll help polish a new section if someone tosses in a few sourced facts. The present image and the edge of water Shepherd picture appeals since a 'looking into the camera' type of animal image reminds that all animals (including insects) share "aliveness" with humans. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Consciousness - we are looking into the eyes of another sentient being. William HarrisCanis lupis track.svgtalkCanis lupis track.svg 03:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
The second or third are good; the first has the same problem as the 4th/5th pair.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  23:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
The problem is that current photo shows a dog with a pretty messed up proportions and it is probably not a real GSD, look on the weird shape of ears, big head, short legs and the shape of snout. The previous photo was a typical working dog, perfect according to von Stephanitz standards, with correct posture, and no, this dog is not "too skinny", it is a dame that weights 33 kg, and is a big dog, people simply fall to the image of current show strain of GSDs. I took this photo because after running through the Commons I saw no good, color photo of a working GSD (I think the real one), in a show posture. I think it should be restored, or at least, if most of you like the show GSD so much, put a correctly shaped dog according to the KC standards. Platyna (talk) 10:58, 2 February 2020 (UTC)