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Language map[edit]

There is a newer language map: File:Knowledge of German EU map.svg (Bosnia added, different colours), but it seems to be missing references... --Mika1h (talk) 23:27, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Weimar Republic and the Third Reich[edit]

Added new images to the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich section to better illustrate the chain of events during this time period and emphasize the importance of the most significant topics of WWII. --E-960 (talk) 10:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I changed 2 of them back, let me quickly explain, why:
  • The old Hitler image showed him in his typical "speech pose" and is easily recognizable with good EV. The new one was badly colored and showed him in a completely staged photo posture, and it is a lot less known afaik. However, I left the caption alone, as it included more detail.
  • The destruction of large parts of Germany during WWII is a historical fact and can (must) be illustrated in the country article without risking any undue weight. The new image had less encyclopedic information and was less illustrating for the section.
Please see also the lengthy previous discussions about this topic in the archives. GermanJoe (talk) 03:39, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Ok, included a more iconic image of Berlin after WWII, previous picture was a bit too generic and nondescript. Also, added a new image of Hitler, it's extraordinarily important to illustrate the fanaticism of that regime and not gloss it over. I think that the previous items completely de-emphasized the subject matter, the images simply made Hitler look like Paul von Hindenburg of Frederic the Great (military leaders) that all; hiding the madness and fanaticism that he advocated. --E-960 (talk) 11:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Fanaticism and madness are not encyclopaedic concepts. Wikipedia is not a sensationalistic tabloid.Blaue Max (talk) 11:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but Wikipedia documents history and during this time period German hyper nationalism resulted in the biggest war in humanity (madness and fanaticism are psychological conditions not sensationalistic tabloid jargon). --E-960 (talk) 12:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Text and images have to be impartial and neutral, regardless of the topic; all encyclopedic topics need to be treated in the same editorial manner. That has nothing to do with "glossing over" or belittling the importance of such topics - it's one of Wikipedia's core principles to keep the articles' content impartial in all cases. GermanJoe (talk) 13:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I re-added an image associated with the Holocaust (events leading up to), it needs to be included in this section. I ensured that the image is not in any way graphic or heavy handed. I'd like to point out that the Austria article has a image of a liberated concentration camp in the Interwar period and World War II section, so including an image of the Dachau concentration camp which is mentioned in the text as being the first German concentration camp is appropriate in this case. --E-960 (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I also believe that the "Weimar Republic and the Third Reich" (1918-1945) history part should be illustrated with 3 pics. But one should represent the Weimar Republic. A third one for the (1933-1945) period would unbalanced the whole part. Please remember, that the era afterwards (1945-2015) only has 3 images. So we need to keep a balanced History here. Ciao Italiano111 (talk) 15:26, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Please note that the Weimar Republic part is only made up of one paragraph, while the text about the Third Reich contain 5 paragraphs (the most paragraphs about a specific topic in the entire article). So, having three picture is not excessive give the size of the text and it's significance to German history. --E-960 (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I agree that 3 WW2 pictures are just too much, when this short period is compared to millennia of history like the Holy Roman Empire. It gives undue weight; even though WW2 was a very relevant and fateful event in German history, it really isn't the only period of relevance. It'd be better to have a 3rd picture in this section illustrating the first free democratic order in Germany. All the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 20:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
In this case I would recommend that we keep the Dachau image and remove the "Cologne Allied aerial bombing" picture. I understand that Germany was bombed severely, but it's definitely not the paramount event of German history during WWII, for several reasons — a major one being that Germany lost far more soldiers than civilians during the war (unlike Poland and Soviet Union) and despite the bombing German infrastructure was still in better shape then that of some occupied countries — so having an image referring to the 'Allied aerial bombing' may not be the best option. Bombing of Germay in WWII (Very bad) < Final Solution/Holocaust (Unprecedented). --E-960 (talk) 21:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I'd agree with you if the article was about World War II in general. But this article is about Germany. I'm not sure you can comprehend how severe the foreign and self-caused destructions were for Germany. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 22:16, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

The more research I´m doing the more I´m questioning myself if we need even 3 pictures in this part. In the end it spans 26 years (1919-1945). Certainly the massive destruction in the country seems to be the most relevant impact during this time. Another picture should be dedicated to the Weimar Republic. Italiano111 (talk) 19:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps we could use a compromise solution and do an example like in the Religion section, where you have two images: Cologne Cathedral and Frauenkirche in one picture frame — striking a balance between the two topics. Then there would be space for an image from the Weimar Rep. --E-960 (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Please stop expanding all details concerning war developments. These information belong to the specific WW2 articles. Thanks Italiano111 (talk) 09:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, please note that all additions are minor grammatical adjustments and closing an incomplete thought; not creating new paragraphs in the section. Example of fixes… from: "In 1941, invaded the Soviet Union." to: "In 1941, German troops invaded the Soviet Union." and from: "The British repelled the German attacks…" to: "The British repelled German air attacks…" and from: "...were also killed." to: "died from Nazi policies of…" — Preceding unsigned comment added by E-960 (talkcontribs) 11:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Updating per FA review committee underway[edit]

This article is overdue for FAR; I am starting an update pursuant to a pending review. Please do not undo edits or updates. Tasks include: updating/streamlining text; verifying footnotes and citations; additional information; format compliance with FA standards; editorial compliance with FA standards, etc. If you with to assist in this, please contact me. auntieruth (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I did some update and some overhaul recently. Of course, re-checking is always important but to me the article looks fine now. Italiano111 (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it is pretty good, but Sandy just asked me to have a look. To do list is below. If you want to help out, please do! auntieruth (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

to do list as of 6 May 2015[edit]

  • The Peace of Westphalia (1648) ended religious warfare among the German states. needs source
  • confirm that the population figures are still good? (and if not update here and on related pages)
  • West Germany joined NATO in 1955 and was a founding member of the European Economic Community in 1957. has no source.
  • hence its fall in 1989 became a symbol of the Fall of Communism, German Reunification and Die Wende. has no source
  • The united Germany is considered to be the enlarged continuation of the Federal Republic of Germany and not a successor state. As such, it retained all of West Germany's memberships in international organizations. has no source
This is stated in the "Einigungsvertrag" Art 11 (http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/einigvtr/art_11.html) "Die Vertragsparteien gehen davon aus, daß völkerrechtliche Verträge und Vereinbarungen, denen die Bundesrepublik Deutschland als Vertragspartei angehört, einschließlich solcher Verträge, die Mitgliedschaften in internationalen Organisationen oder Institutionen begründen, ihre Gültigkeit behalten und die daraus folgenden Rechte und Verpflichtungen sich mit Ausnahme der in Anlage I genannten Verträge auch auf das in Artikel 3 genannte Gebiet beziehen. Soweit im Einzelfall Anpassungen erforderlich werden, wird sich die gesamtdeutsche Regierung mit den jeweiligen Vertragspartnern ins Benehmen setzen."

Please add and if necessary translate. Nillurcheier (talk) 07:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

  • third paragraph of EU section... has no source.
  • Since reunification, Germany has taken a more active role in the European Union. Together with its European partners Germany signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992, established the Eurozone in 1999, and signed the Lisbon Treaty in 2007. no source
  • modest expansion of urbanization section (needs a slight perspective)
  • expansion of political section to explain party system and regulations governing election in the mixed proportional system. this may be clear to Commonwealth English speakers, but not necessarily to Americans.
  • Ref 14 ("Ice Age Lion Man") is dead and/or forbidden. Replacement with a free reliable source would be nice (I found 1 via Google, but am not sure about reliable).
  • climate borders and links to animals. done auntieruth (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
  • section on Education has several incomplete sentences and never really explains what the realschule is.
  • needs citation in Architecture section (on firstparagraph) and picture of Fachwerk (Rothenberg ob der Tauber? Swabian image? your choice). addressed (if Italiano would stop deleting it). auntieruth (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Note: When adding new online links, please make sure they are also archived at the Internet Archive (see WP:LINKROT for more info). Most sites can easily be archived with just one click, when the archive has no archived versions of the link. GermanJoe (talk) 01:09, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

"Varieties of German"[edit]

The usage and primary topic of Varieties of German is under discussion, see talk:German dialects -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

7.1 Music[edit]

It says: “Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a prolific and influential composer of the Classical era.” and “Franz Schubert was an important figure in the late Classical era and early Romantic era.”

Mozart was born in Salzburg, Austria, and Schubert in Vienna, Austria, so they may have been Austrians: you simply may erase these two sentences.

I would like to set the question about the name of the national anthem in this conversation. In order to this I need to pronounce, that the original name of the song was "the song of the Germans" so in German: "Das Lied der Deutschen" and not "song of Germany" related to: "Deutschlandlied". It would be pleasent to hear about the point of view from other persons in relation to that point.2A02:8070:6181:800:61CF:1AE0:2E38:7BD0 (talk) 21:44, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

D. Ruhfus (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2015[edit]

Please add after Area a line -Water(%) 2.34 to make this coherent with other country facts. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area) 86.67.124.3 (talk) 14:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 18:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Architecture[edit]

This part already includes 4 images. In all parts of the article (Education, Health, Economy) other types of architecture are represented as well. Even more important, the first picture in Culture, the Weihnachtmarkt, does include a town square. There is certainly no shortage of architecture related images it in the article. Please, stop adding more images of buildings. It does´nt make sense. Italiano111 (talk) 09:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

History[edit]

The whole history part seems to long. Sections like the Holy Roman Empire are almost the size of an entire "normal" Wiki article. I can´t support any expansion here anymore. Italiano111 (talk) 09:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)