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Giygas battle in Mother 2 and Shigesato Itoi[edit]

The game designer, Shigesato Itoi, has said in an interview that the battle with Giygas in Mother 2/EarthBound is the result of a traumatic experience he had as a child after accidently walking into a theater playing a violent rape film. This should DEFINATELY be included in a section of this article as well of mention of Giygas in the original Mother game. Buzda 12:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Can anyone provide an example of that dialogue? It's been too long since I played to remember. Kidicarus222 19:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
GameFAQs has the game's script. --Evice 01:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Better we only have a link to the quote cause typing the quote looks stupid on the article so I deleted it.Samusfan80 16:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Dispute[edit]

There is a complete lack of any mention of his alien status. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

this article is not developed enough to warrant the use of a "dispute" tag, especially since you're the only side of this "dispute". if you dont like it, fix it TastemyHouse 08:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

The bikini woman in Threed[edit]

I remember there being a townsperson somewhere -- Twoson, maybe -- who mentions that nobody has ever seen Giygas and that, for all he knew, Giygas could be a beautiful woman. I also remember that when Ness and Paula first enter the zombie-controlled Threed, they see a blonde woman in a black bathing suit. And you keep following her, and she eventually leads you into a trap. Right? Am I crazy or did this actually happen in the game? Anyway, I always thought that woman was some early glimpse at Giygas in disguise. I know it's speculation, but does anybody else think there's something here? Kidicarus222 19:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember the comment on Gigyas being a woman, but I know that the event in Threed does in fact happen. It's never explained who that woman is. While it's possible that she's Gigyas, it's just as likely that she's some sort of evil spirit. We'll probably never know for sure. --Agent Aquamarine 11:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a line said by one of the "sneaky guys" (with the one-corner smiles and hats) that essentially amounts to "I heard Belch is working for Giygas, who might be female." Nothing more than that, though... 152.163.100.200 02:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
The "sneaky guy is in Threed, inside a house near the tunnel to Twoson if I remember well. 00:39, 15 March 2007 (GMT -3)
-The sneaky guy's speculation that Giygas might be female may come from the fact that the zombie bikini girl is in town, and she's different from the other zombies. She might be Giygas, but that's unlikely. She may be a more powerfull and smart zombie, or a puppet controlled directly by Giygas.
-The game gives some more material for Giygas' body form speculations: near the end of the game, when about to enter the last (purple) area of the game, if you look closely to the cave's opening in the wall, you'll see what looks like a humanoid monster's head. You can see it in the following link (spoiler alert: this is starmen.net's area map of the area right before the final area) [1] (make a zoom on the top left hand corner, on the opening in the wall).
This of course implies that the final area is Giygas' intestines, or nerves at BEST, then you go all the way up and... Yuck. --201.68.131.155 03:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Most Powerful Villains[edit]

This line was added by someone (PsychoJosh?) at some point: ...and is one of the most powerful villains in video game history.

This is clearly a non-NPOV statement, and one I don't even agree with. It shouldn't be here. Please don't edit it back in. Spamguy 02:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

While it is POV statement (non-NPOV is a bit redundant, no?), I'd say there's truth to it. After all, he automatically heals himself unless Paula uses Pray. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Non-NPOV=not a neutral point of view, so it's not redundant. NPOV is not synonymous with POV. Unless there is some kind of official proof that shows Giegue as one of the most powerful villain, there is no way to show it's true. I doubt any of us can even name every video game villain. It has no place in this article. Xubelox 06:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

You guys misinterpreted me. I wasn't trying to be all fanboy-esque, like "OOOH GIYGAS IS SO COOL AND GODDAMN POWERFUL AND HE CAN BEAT SEPHIROTH BLAH BLAH BLAH". I'm saying it based on what I know about Giygas; he became so unbelievably powerful in his evil that he turned into the literal definition of the word "evil", as explained by Pokey. Add to that the fact that beating him by conventional means is hopeless and that he has the ability to shred the reality of entire universes asunder (he is the "universal cosmic destroyer" after all) and you have one of the most powerful villains in video game history. Don't give me any of that non-NPOV crap because I wasn't trying to sound like one of those stupid Sephiroth fanboys. PsychoJosh 03:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I would have to say he is one of the most powerful villains ever; you cannot kill him by conventional means, and the characters of Mother 1+2 do not have enough power on their own to defeat him. PeanutCheeseBar 18:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Not useless[edit]

"In this form, Giygas can only be destroyed by using Paula's previously useless Pray command several times...". The "pray" command was never useless. It did all kinds of random things, helpful as well as harmful, which made it unreliable. Though some players might consider it useless because of its unreliability, this is a POV. Therefore I am removing it. 63.135.2.27 23:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Not the final form[edit]

The pic in this article's headline say it's Giygas' final form. It isn't, it's his second form. His final form has several of the faces and is more purpleish. Should the pic be changed?

writing about fiction[edit]

Some of this stuff needs to be tidied up and written in a different tone. An article should not read like a story or a game walkthrough. A few examples of quotes which are leaning towards too much of an in-universe style are the following: "It's a happy ending." "However, foreboding news arrives; his father calls, telling him that something has come up..." "Once Pokey has had enough, he reveals Giygas's true form by turning off the Devil's Machine, and explains it was a device used to contain Giygas's incredible evil power." Rockcutter88 18:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

"Giyig Key"?[edit]

There was never a "Giyig Key" in Mother 3; therefore, I am removing it from the Trivia section.

--72.229.206.51 04:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Original research?[edit]

The trivia section is slowly growing, which is not a good thing. Moreover the second and the third items seem to come from the editors' minds only. No original research please!! --朝彦 (Asahiko) 21:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


Citation needed on Giegue?[edit]

"He went under the name of Giegue in the cancelled English localisation.[citation needed]" The English localization was indeed cancelled, documented extensively on lostlevels.org (http://lostlevels.org/200407/200407-earthbound.shtml), and in said English localization, he is known as Giegue. Is this sufficient citation to get rid of an annoying tag? --96.250.214.249 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC).

Potential merge[edit]

I went through the sources on this article and I'm not finding anything that suggests notability outside the games. For instance, almost all coverage pertains to the memorable final boss battle of EarthBound, which is already adequately covered in that article. Anything that needs to be known about his longevity between the first two games of the series (and its subsequent meaning, which is to say the Oxfords' 1UP source) is in the series article. What remains is rankings in a bunch of listicles that don't add anything other than that people remember the battle. Thoughts on a redirect to Mother (video game series)#Recurring elements? czar  17:50, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure a full-out redirect would be good, but I might get behind a merger. Most of the sources are approved on WP:VG/RS, and with the sheer volume of them, there's definitely something there. I unfortunately lack the time right now to do a full analysis of them to see what there is outside of that battle that might make it worthy or not of its own article, but I should be able to come back by Saturday and look into it. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 19:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Yea, merging would probably be best. As iconic as he is, there just doesn't seem to be a lot in the way of RS's out there past what we've got in the article here (plus all the 1UP and UGO links are dead, which certainly doesn't help any). Most of the stuff here is already covered in the article, but there's a few tidbits (like the warning from Buzz Buzz) that could be in EarthBound. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 16:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
New Age Retro Hippie probably would like to manifest as the "creator" of the article, no? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 20:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

In the absence of opposition, I'm boldly going ahead with this redirect as sufficiently covered in the rewritten target article's dedicated section czar  02:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)