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Northamerica1000(talk) 12:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge list content - and proposed rewrite[edit]

Following a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of cuisines, it's been suggested that we

  1. merge the list content from here, into List of cuisines
  2. and then restart this article using the definition of Global Cuisine as "a specific kind of cuisine".

(Because it is currently a pure list of "global cuisines", and it doesn't mention the "global cuisine" which contemporary chefs and food writers talk about).

Does anyone have any objections? (If not, we'll get started in a day or so)

And does anyone have some good references to support the suggested new topic? (If so, perhaps you/we could start the rewrite in a new subheading at the top of the current article)

Thanks. –Quiddity (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

  • No objection, but Outline of cuisines must remain as a redirect, as that was the whole point of what everyone was saying. User:The transhumanist may need a refresher course in BRD. — The Potato Hose 03:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
    • The AfD on Outline of cuisines was to keep. Therefore, we need to keep that title. I have no objection to splitting off the "Types of cuisine" section, as it makes up 80% of the outline at this point. But the scope of "Outline of cuisines" is wider than that of "List of cuisines", and therefore its existence is warranted (and supported by consensus at the AfD). For example, see List of sharks and Outline of sharks. Same thing applies here. The Transhumanist 04:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
      • No, it wasn't, see below. And if it were that clear, you wouldn't have gone and created a whole new article to get around what the consensus is.

Let's refresh your memory of the AFD:

  • User:Silver_seren - "Keep and rename to List of cuisines"
  • User:Quiddity - "merge and rename the majority of the contents currently at Outline of cuisines and Global cuisine into a single article at List of cuisines." (this was Quiddity's reconsidered opinion, see next point)
  • User:Jerem43 - "Keep - Quiddity summed it up" (referring to Quiddity's initial keep vote, which s/he later changed)
  • User:Cirt - "Keep, various move discussions can then take place further in article talk page space"
  • User:Bearian - "Keep per the emerging consensus to move, rename, and cleanup."
  • User:Northamerica1000 - "Keep, then merge."

If you add in my agreement, that's everyone who participated... which, while strict number-counting is pointless, is therefore 5/2 in favour of renaming to List Of and merging everything together immediately, followed by recreation of Global cuisine as an article discussing that specific style of cuisine. More accurately you could describe it as 5/1 in favour, with 1 saying keep and then discuss merges elsewhere. — The Potato Hose 04:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding: I don't care about lists of other things. Your reading of the AFD is completely flawed and biased. — The Potato Hose 04:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I did mean: merge the geographical "global cuisines" list content from the 2 separate lists (the outline and here), to list of cuisines; and leave the non geographical list content, at the Outline page, and create a new "global cuisine" (per your definition) article, here. –Quiddity (talk) 05:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
You should have been clear about that at the time, not after the fact. Had you been clear I would have objected in the most strenuous manner, and I suspect other people interpreted the same way I did. The outline page serves no purpose. — The Potato Hose 05:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Putting it another way: that might have been what you meant. It is not what you said. I specifically asked you if your vote was to move, and you said yes. — The Potato Hose 05:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Actually on a more careful re-reading, I'm calling total bullshit on what you said above. You said:

merge and rename the majority of the contents currently at Outline of cuisines and Global cuisine into a single article at List of cuisines. Any remaining list-style content that doesn't belong in that merged list, can hopefully be merged into Cuisine#See also

So uh, yeah. — The Potato Hose 05:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah yes, sorry for not remembering my exact suggestion from 10 days ago. I'm not perfect.
I have already chastised Transhumanist, on my talkpage this morning, for not discussing a merge first.
If only someone had linked to the content in question we might be able to have a civil discussion with the other editors watching this page, regarding where that content best belongs. I suspect anyone who might have done so, is now hesitant to wade into the aggression. –Quiddity (talk) 05:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Not remembering? You are claiming you meant the exact opposite of what you said. So, that's weird. The Transhumanist deliberately created a new page that was similarly titled to the old page after I redirected the old page. So, that's weird too. But some digging has shown that you two are both heavily invested in whatever this 'outlines' business is, and The Transhumanist at least, based on his/her block log, has not been above stooping to underhanded tactics in the past to get his/her way. So that's pretty weird too, wouldn't you say? Taking it all together, it looks to me like you were really really clear about what you meant in the AfD, and now you are changing your mind because oh no, one of these weird 'outline' pages--a page which does nothing but completely duplicate a template which then links to the page which is duplicating itself I've gone crosseyed--will no longer be extant on Wikipedia. — The Potato Hose 05:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
If the content is short enough to go comfortably into Cuisine#See also, then fine. If Transhumanist can come up with 30k of additional cuisine-related content for an outline, as he suggests on your talkpage, then fine.
Please, "Comment on content, not on the contributor". –Quiddity (talk) 05:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
To your first point: there is nothing in the outline which is not appropriate for or already contained in either List of cuisines or Cuisine. That being the whole point of an article which is about a concept ('cuisine'), to link to all the major points regarding that concept.
Regarding your second point, don't quote inapplicable policies at me. — The Potato Hose 05:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Issuing you the same challenge as I issued The transhumanist: find me two or more items which belong in the 'outline' but in neither of List of cuisines or Cuisine. — The Potato Hose 06:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Merge occurring[edit]

This article is currently in the process of being merged to List of cuisines, per consensus at the Outline of cuisines AfD discussion. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Merger complete[edit]

  YesY Merger complete. Information from this article has been merged into the articles listed in the copy attribution tags at the header of this talk page. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Better title?[edit]

This article's lead reads:

A global cuisine is a cuisine that is practiced around the world. ... To become a global cuisine, a local, regional or national cuisine must spread around the world, its food served world-wide.

This is an interesting definition, but I don't see any reliable source for it. On the contrary, in the sources I've been able to find, "global cuisine" means something quite different, namely an international cuisine which borrows more or less indiscriminately from various cuisines:

"...a global cuisine that blurs the long-nurtured local and regional distinctions among our foods and beverages..."[1]
"Global cuisine could also be widely found in restaurants located in cities from New York to Manama, the capital of Bahrain, in the Persian Gulf. In the latter, according to Chase, one restaurant offered 'Arabic (Lebanese and Gulf items), Chinese, Indian, pizza and hamburger, and grills' all delivered by Filipina employees to the accompaniment of Greek music."[2]

So the current title doesn't seem to fit the current content. --Macrakis (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ Art Simering, "Growing Mementum towards a Global Cuisine", Food on the Move, Oxford Symposium on Food and Cookery, 1996, p. 304
  2. ^ Robin Cohen, Paul Kennedy, Global Sociology, p. 249]

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