Talk:Godzilla vs. Kong

Writing credit

I think we should add Michael Dougherty and Zach Shields in the infobox, at least for now. There are many sources calling Dougherty a co-writer on the film. Iamnoahflores (talk) 15:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

OPPOSED. Dougherty and Shields contributions are minor. Dougherty himself has confirmed he and Shields only did "some rewrites," not an entire doctoring. Besides, Dougherty and Shields wouldn't be the only co-writers on the script, considering there's seven additional writers on the writers room. Rossio is the only confirmed screenwriter thus far. We should wait until final WGA credits are revealed. Armegon (talk) 20:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

De-clutter Marketing

Proposing that the Marketing section be cleaned up, as in its current state it is far too wordy and cluttered with unnecessary information like descriptions of two second teasers and TV spots. When the full official trailer is released I can't imagine anyone would seriously write up a description of everything that happens in that two minute plus trailer. Simply, the solution would be to follow other film pages, and keep the marketing section to the date of when a trailer was released, with a link to the trailer in the citation. Otherwise the Marketing section is bound to become gigantic. 203.0.173.97 (talk) 10:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Gurira

Has been added with multiple sources. This shouldn't even be an issue but you should need consensus to remove it. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 04:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

No, we need consensus to keep it. Per WP:QUO, in this case, the status quo is the version of the article before you added Gurira to the cast. So again, please refrain from restoring it before consensus. I believe Collider and ScreenGeek made an error because there are strong indications that Gurira is not involved with the film. Gurira is not named in the official press release (1); IMDB lists her as "rumored"; She was only in early talks to join the film (1). That was two years ago and there has been no confirmation from any outlets, reliable or not, outright saying she had officially joined the film. Nor has Gurira spoken about the film in interviews or her social medias like most of the confirmed cast have. I believe Collider and ScreenGeek made the error due to her name appearing prematurely on the film's IMDB page. Armegon (talk) 06:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

You may be right. Again, IMDB is not reliable according to Wikipedia. However, that being said everyone I've ever seen listed as rumored on their pages has ended up being in that film, unless their scenes are deleted from the final cut. Which could happen to a number of the cast we have listed. I disagree with you about consensus as there is a reliable source, no matter what you believe about it but I certainly understand your point. Often in big films, some cast is not officially confirmed. Are there any sources that you know of that deny her involvement or confirm she was not cast? Or what role she was up for, so we can see if someone else is playing that role? Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 16:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

So I removed it. I added that Collider reported her casting, where casting is mentioned. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I removed it per WP:QUO. No consensus was formed for you to add it anywhere else in the article. So again, I must ask you to refrain from restoring it. Otherwise, it would constitute as disruptive editing, per WP:DIS. Be patient. Unfortunately, there is no confirmation or denial regarding Gurira's involvement or the role she was up her. I suspect it went to either Hall or Gonzalez. Or maybe it was rewritten as a male character. What we could do is a variation on what you added to Casting. How about... "Despite not being confirmed by other publications to have joined the film, Collider and ScreenGeek briefly named her amongst the cast." Something like that to make it very clear. Armegon (talk) 18:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I added your changes, but I said the Studio as that sounds better and more official. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 19:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

The main problem with all of this, in my opinion, is that you seem to feel you get to decide what the status quo for this page is. Adding that information is not disruptive. It's most definitely something that belongs on this page. Obviously we disagree. What's disruptive is on both of us for continually edit warring because of our disagreement and your assurance that you know the status quo. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

If her role was rewritten or re-cast please add that information as well, which a source. That'd be great. Maybe you're right. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Well now you removed it again even though I added your changes and left you a message on your talk page saying feel free to reword it, if it wasn't to your liking. So at this point, you are most definitely the one being disruptive. What's your problem now? Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I removed it because I did not agree to this particular version (1). And wrong, I am not deciding which status quo is which. The status quo is the version before January 22. Before you started adding your edits. WP:QUO makes this clear, "During a dispute discussion, until a consensus is established, you should not revert away from the status quo". You can claim "misuse" all you want but the sequence of events are clear: You were bold. I challenged it. The status quo is obvious. Anyways, back on the issue at hand. We can remix what you added. I propose a combination of both our suggestions: "Despite not confirmed by the studio of her casting, Gurira was briefly named amongst the cast by Collider and ScreenGeek." Thoughts? Armegon (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

You are stonewalling. There are plenty of policies and examples that would back up adding this. This is highly unnecessary. As I said, if you don't like the wording, reword it. Cool? Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

For clarification I would only say Collider as that is the ref used and I found about ten sources that name her so just referencing one other one makes no sense, unless you're adding it as well. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

As you are clearly trying to set me up, in order to report me for edit warring, you're going to need to add it. And btw, both of us are way beyond the 3rr rule. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 20:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Wrong. Not stonewalling. You are prematurely adding content before I, or any other editor, has had a chance to give their two cents or suggestions on how to proceed. You are the one being impatient and as a result, are close to violating WP:3RR. Any other editor would have reported and blocked you for disruptive editing and failure to follow policy, but I am lenient. I want to get through this and help both the article and you. You have only one year of experience of Wiki editing, I have seven and a half years of experience. So I feel it's unfair to report you and throw you to the sharks but you gotta learn to work with me here. You gotta learn patience and understand to follow guidelines. I understand it's frustrating. I been there. But the only way we can achieve consensus is through discussions. It ends when we're on the same page. Just be patient. We'll get there. I am not doing this to be an ass. There's a right way and wrong way to do these things and I am trying hard to steer this ship in the right way. With that said, What do you think about my proposal to merge both our versions? Armegon (talk) 20:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

For clarification. Here's my proposal of merging both our suggestions again: "Despite not confirmed by the studio of her casting, Gurira was briefly named amongst the cast by Collider and ScreenGeek." Armegon (talk) 20:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

You are wrong as clearly I had already agreed and invited you to make other changes. Most other editors would have just made those changes. It's interesting that not only do you know Gurira's role was re-cast but also what "All other editors" would do. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

And you are not an Admin. Stop talking like you are. You do not have the right or ability to block anyone. You're just an editor who even reverted ref fixes I made. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 21:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Anyways. At least we're through that now. I wish you the best. I'll leave this page to you. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Never said I was but I could have easily reported you, if I chose to. The sequence of events makes it clear who was disruptive and looking at your block log, you've been blocked a few times for edit warring. Had I reported you, it wouldn't have looked good on your part but you're still green. I didn't think it was fair to drag you through the mud. Learn from your errors, man. Wiki editing is amazing but it can be taken away if you don't play by the rules. Be civil. Be open minded. Be knowledgable of Wiki guidelines. Most importantly, be patient. I wish you the best of luck as well. Happy editing! Armegon (talk) 21:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

For clarity, I haven't been blocked in a while for edit warring. We were both being disruptive and guilty of edit warring. I take responsibility for that. I don't understand how you don't realize it was on you as well. Your points are valid but once I changed the wording and both wrote on here and messaged you to feel free to change the wording to your liking, which was clearly where we were at then, the two other reverts by you were both completely unnecessary and disruptive. And seemed to be rather pointy. Honestly, if I do my best to look at this objectively, if I were an Admin, I would've gave both of us a warning at which point I'm sure both of us would've backed off. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. I do tend to blindly go on "defense mode" when it comes to articles in my watchlist. So you were not the only disruptive one, I'll admit. But at least we settled the issue as quickly as it began. Armegon (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Giant monster film

@Armegon: Hello! I think it's necessary. Many other films on Wikipedia are named "giant monster films" instead of just "monster films" already. --Дейноніх (talk) 20:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

True but it seems unnecessary. Readers can determine for themselves what kind of monster film it is by either reading the plot summary, looking at the poster, reading on the creature designs, or googling the trailer. "Monster film" disambiguates it. It covers all bases, in my opinion. Armegon (talk) 20:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I changed it to the "kaiju film", okay? --Дейноніх (talk) 20:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I reverted it because it's not a Japanese production. A modern kaiju film like Shin Godzilla is identified in the lead as a kaiju film because it's a Japanese film but GVK is an American film, so it makes no sense to identify an American film by a Japanese genre. I hate to call this prematurely but I do believe we're at a stalemate. If you feel strongly about this and want to bring in more editors, you can set up an RfC for more opinions. Armegon (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Kaylee Hottle

As per the official press release from Warner Bros. [1] Kaylee Hottle is not part of the official top billing for the movie. She should be moved to the bottom paragraph with Zhang Ziyi for the time being. WhoKnew99 (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Updated Synopsis

This is the official synopsis from the latest press release:

"Legends collide in “Godzilla vs. Kong” as these mythic adversaries meet in a spectacular battle for the ages, with the fate of the world hanging in the balance. Kong and his protectors undertake a perilous journey to find his true home, and with them is Jia, a young orphaned girl with whom he has formed a unique and powerful bond. But they unexpectedly find themselves in the path of an enraged Godzilla, cutting a swath of destruction across the globe. The epic clash between the two titans—instigated by unseen forces—is only the beginning of the mystery that lies deep within the core of the Earth." [2] [3]

Preferable that the old synopsis be changed with the new one WhoKnew99 (talk) 18:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

OPPOSED. It's unnecessary to change it. The old premise is sufficient enough and we'll replace it two months from now with a plot summary anyway. Armegon (talk) 03:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate that you want to keep it (it's a great premise). The fact is that it is objectively outdated and is no longer the official synopsis. The studio making and releasing the movie doesn't use that synopsis anymore, they are using the "Legends collide" synopsis (it is on all the official press releases for the movie). Until a plot summary is released, the page's synopsis should be the one that the studio is officially using. WhoKnew99 (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

To summarise - it's best to use the newer synopsis/premise because the old one is no longer the official one being used by the studio. The status quo is the official synopsis used by the film's studios Warner Bros. and Legendary. WhoKnew99 (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Do not restore your version like you did here. You clearly failed to read WP:QUO and follow policy. It states "During a dispute discussion, until a consensus is established, you should not revert away from the status quo". The status quo is the version of the article before you made your edits. Do not restore before consensus. Back to the subject at hand. I'm still not convinced. It doesn't matter if that's the version that's being used now. The old premise is equally as informative as the new one and it won't be long before we get a plot summary. So replacing the old premise with an updated version when the plot summary is literally two months away seems redundant. The old one has been and is still doing its job. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Armegon (talk) 21:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

The old premise you are using is not the official premise used by Warner Bros. and Legendary. The companies making the movie. It doesn't matter if ain't broke. The old premise is not being used by the company making the movie. Using the outdated premise is objectively incorrect and brings down the quality of the page. WhoKnew99 (talk) 04:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Also I beg your pardon, per the page's history I believe it was yourself who reverted the "Legends collide" synopsis first? Meaning the "Legends collide" synopsis was the status quo. Seems as though you've clearly failed to interpret WP:QUO. WhoKnew99 (talk) 04:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Wrong. YOU failed to interpret WP:QUO. Before someone added the new premise, the old one from the press release remained on the article since November 2018 (1). Someone was bold, I challenged it, and reverted it back to the old version until consensus is reached (1). That is how the status quo policy works. It seems we're at a standstill. If you truly feel dedicated to changing the premise, you could set up an RFC to attract more opinions on the matter but the old premise stays until consensus is reached, again per WP:QUO. Armegon (talk) 06:39, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not interested in having a childish argument with you. Ultimately I put this out to an RFC for more opinions a few hours ago, as the old premise you are insisting on is not officially recognised by Warner Bros. or Legendary. This shouldn't be this difficult to understand. WhoKnew99 (talk) 08:39, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Request for Comment on Synopsis/Premise

Request for comments to change the plot synopsis/premise to the official one used by Warner Bros. and Legendary Entertainment for Godzilla vs. Kong.

Official synopsis:

"Legends collide in “Godzilla vs. Kong” as these mythic adversaries meet in a spectacular battle for the ages, with the fate of the world hanging in the balance. Kong and his protectors undertake a perilous journey to find his true home, and with them is Jia, a young orphaned girl with whom he has formed a unique and powerful bond. But they unexpectedly find themselves in the path of an enraged Godzilla, cutting a swath of destruction across the globe. The epic clash between the two titans—instigated by unseen forces—is only the beginning of the mystery that lies deep within the core of the Earth." [4] [5]

Outdated synopsis no longer used by Warner Bros. or Legendary:

In a time when monsters walk the Earth, humanity's fight for its future sets Godzilla and Kong on a collision course that will see the two most powerful forces of nature on the planet collide in a spectacular battle for the ages. As Monarch embarks on a perilous mission into uncharted terrain and unearths clues to the Titans' origins, a human conspiracy threatens to wipe the creatures, both good and bad, from the face of the earth forever.

WhoKnew99 (talk) 09:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Of course we can update the synopsis. No valid reason for opposing it has been given. Even if it's set to change again (an invalid justification, per WP:CRYSTAL), this is the most updated information we have now. This is textbook article ownership. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 21:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I have given valid reason for opposing it in the above argument. It's unnecessary given that the film is two months away and we'll be replacing the premise with a plot summary within that time. So what's the point? The premise should've been updated long ago when it was first revealed. Now it seems too late and redundant to update it. Armegon (talk) 03:39, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

As mentioned above "seeming too late and redundant to update it" is an invalid justification per WP:CRYSTAL. Going through the page's history users have tried to change the premise but it has been reverted every time to the older, outdated one that isn't recognised by Warner Bros. and Legendary, even though the article falsely claims that it is. WhoKnew99 (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The consensus is 2:1 in favour of using the official synopsis/premise from Warner Bros./Legendary until either the movie is released where a plot summary will take its place or in the event of a new synopsis being officially released. Reverting to the old synopsis without valid justification will be considered WP:CRYSTAL. WhoKnew99 (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I also support updating the section but would prefer "Synopsis" since that is the term used when companies officially share their film's story. "Premise", to me, is better used when there isn't an official synopsis, but a source like a trade paper gives a sentence or two about the film (usually before an actual synopsis becomes available). Two months is still a long time before the film comes out, and there will be many new readers between now and then. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

No further arguments or resistance from my end. Consensus is clear. Armegon (talk) 16:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Confirming that a consensus has been reached and that the RFC has been removed from the section per WP:RFC. WhoKnew99 (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Godzilla in the movie is actually Mechagodzilla, should we mention it in the article?

Based on trailer, reviews and many clips from YouTube it would seem it's not really Godzilla in the upcoming 2021 film. Mechagodzilla was a giant Godzilla robot that was created by the Japanese to fight Godzilla (in the flesh) and other monsters. You can catch glimpse of it in the trailer when it featured Japanese actor Shun Oguri and also when it was destroying Hong Kong. Godzilla isn't suppose to be evil and destroying humanity unless is Shin Godzilla and space Godzilla which they are clearly not him (referring to the Godzilla in the 2021 trailer who is clearly Mechagodzilla).

Take a look at this source

Is Mechagodzilla the Real Villain in Godzilla vs. Kong?

https://www.ign.com/articles/mechagodzilla-godzilla-vs-kong-bad-guy-villain

I believe most of the fans going to watch this are Godzilla fans based on the comment sections and reviews. Most fans wouldn't really want to see King Kong defeating Godzilla. I don't know what the ending is going to be like but from the trailer it seems like Godzilla is portrayed as this villain who's going to destroy humanity while King Kong is the savior of humanity. In every other film Godzilla film he protects humanity from other monsters many times, he also has spiritual connections with humans (little kids and females) just like King Kong has, they both will fight to protect humans. So if King Kong does defeat Godzilla he was actually Mechagodzilla, which will makes more sense because Godzilla never loses. In reality there's no way King Kong could ever beat Godzilla, their difference in power is just to great. Godzilla can attack with energy blast (called nuclear breath), he can also withstand huge energy blast from any monsters before, Godzilla also has incredible regenerating powers while King Kong doesn't have any energy blast, all he has is raw strength which Godzilla also has but I believe in the movie they will make King Kong more intelligent and defeating Godzilla by somehow outsmarting Godzilla. However Godzilla has some intelligence as well, but this Mechagodzilla is just a huge robot battling machine, so it would make sense if King Kong can defeat Mecha Godzilla. Even Mecha Godzilla couldn't defeat Godzilla when it used all it's power beams, rockets, electricity. Godzilla can heal himself quickly from all energy blast and weaponry, especially if it's just punches from King Kong, Godzilla will recover easily. Vamlos (talk) 09:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

At the moment, nothing regarding Mechagodzilla is confirmed to be in the film. I, myself have watched the trailer multiple times, read many articles and have watched many times regarding Mechagodzilla making an appearance in the film, but these are all just rumours and theories, even if they are from reliable sources. Although I do believe that the character is going to appear in the film, nothing is confirmed. Until anyone involved in the film confirms these rumours/theories we shouldn’t mention it in the article yet. KaitoNkmra23 talk 11:04, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The source posted is purely speculative, all based on a brief frame from the trailer. Until the filmmakers or studio outright explicitly confirm that Mechagodzilla is in the film (through an official reveal) or the role that Mechagodzilla potentially plays in the film is confirmed, all information until then is pure fan speculation. 203.0.173.97 (talk) 12:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

• Opposed. It’s obvious Mechagodzilla is in it but it hasn’t been formally confirmed by the studio or filmmakers. Any premature mention of MechaG would violate WP:BALL. Armegon (talk) 16:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Agree, any mention of Mechagodzilla should be held back until it is officially announced/confirmed by Legendary/Warner Bros. WhoKnew99 (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

He is confirmed by an article "2021 Preview: 47 Must-See Movies." in Total Film. --Дейноніх (talk) 05:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

As we mentioned earlier, this is currently speculation since no-one involved in the film has confirmed or announced that the character will be appearing in the film. KaitoNkmra23 talk 06:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Well I agree with the unless it's officially announced/confirmed from filmmakers or studio, even though most of us agree that Mechagodzilla will be in the movie. Is it possible to create a section titled 'speculation' because the Mechagodzilla theory is filled with many credible articles, reviews and so is strange Wikipedia isn't giving the slightest attention by mentioning just a little bit of Mechagodzilla in the article, it does not mean that it's confirmed that he is the real Godzilla in the movie but just explaining the curiosity. I do not encourage it if it violates this rule WP:BALL. Vamlos (talk) 09:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Your solution is the best. Mechagodzilla wasn't confirmed, but he appears in the first several seconds of the trailer, and he's on the screen in the frame with Ren Serizawa. We should mentioned that Mechagodzilla likely will appear but we should mentioned that it wasn't confirmed. We all know that he will appear but Wikipedia needs sources for verification. So the section "Speculation" is the best solution. --Дейноніх (talk) 12:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry guys, a Speculation section is in direct violation of WP:CRYSTAL. WhoKnew99 (talk) 19:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay. --Дейноніх (talk) 19:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

My opinion: I think there's no way that the studio and filmakers of this movie are going to reveal Mechagodzilla, at least not until March 26-31 when it releases, or when everyone sees the movie. We still have 2 wait for months which is still quite a long way to go. We most likely have to wait somewhere in April or even May, a whole extra month even after it releases. It's obviously all part of their marketing strategy to show us a bit of Mechagodzilla on purpose, so they can stir up fans emotions and curiosity. With so many fans review, platform discussions yet the filmakers or studio doesn't want to reveal anything. It's very obvious they wanted us to see the brief frame of mechagodzilla on purpose. They were successful in making many people built fan theories, reviews and speculation. People want to know if Mechagodzilla is indeed Godzilla rapped in monsters skin or is actually the real villain, this will attract many Godzilla fans to watch the movie even more because many of us don't believe that Godzilla who had defended humanity from many powerful monsters would randomly destroy humanity for no reason. Obviously they would know it doesn't sit well with many of us who think Godzilla shouldn't be the bad evil villain, while Kong is the hero of the show, especially not defeated by him. No Godzilla fans would want that, even though the trailer was intense and received millions of likes, most of them comments were against Godzilla being the bad guy. Vamlos (talk) 09:43, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that mecha-godzilla was in the trailer in the ocean, mecha godzilla can't go in the water, he's a robot, remember? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.6.163.43 (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC) \

I admit. I was wrong about some things I said. I though Godzilla was Mechagodzilla wrap in some artificial monsters skin so it didn't occurred to me that he had a problem going under water. A lot our logic don't apply to movies/video game logic. I was wrong about Kong was going to beat Godzilla but it was Godzilla who beat Kong. The trailer tricked me because it made it seem like Godzilla was the hero delivering the final head blow to Godzilla but I though it was mechagodzilla (the trailer and some youtube theories influenced me). Plus many Godzilla fans would be mad and complaining for real if they made King Kong beat Godzilla so I though it had to be Mechagodzilla. It's good that they decided to make Godzilla win King Kong. To be honest Kong was never in Godzilla's league, even in terms of size Kong was never that big enough to face Godzilla.. I was thinking the story would be Kong fighting Mechagodzilla, than the real Godzilla finally comes in the end. I would say Godzilla won in the movie, although they made Kong come back stronger in the end of the movie by delivering the defeat on megagodzilla (with Godzillas help of course), the end was pretty epic really. Godzilla and Kong team up to fight Megagodzilla. I kinda felt that was going to happen as soon I saw Megagodzilla fighting Godzilla.- Vamlos (talk) 14:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Remove Toho from Infobox?

I sense an edit war coming. So I thought it was best to bring the issue here before it gets out of control. Should we remove Toho from the distributor section of the infobox? I oppose. WP:FilmDist takes precedence. It clearly states “If there are only two distributors in total (a domestic and foreign) then include both of them.” Warners is releasing the film in all markets, except Japan, where Toho has exclusive distribution rights. @Nyxaros: @KaitoNkmra23:, thoughts? Armegon (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - per WP:FilmDist, it is clear that Toho has exclusive distribution rights in Japan, given that they own the Godzilla character and license the character to WB/Legendary. This is not the same as Warners using a distributor who would distribute a film on behalf of WB. As seen by prior films Godzilla (2014) and King of the Monsters, Toho controls the release of these films in Japan, not WB. WhoKnew99 (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, I prefer not including but it's okay in both ways. I just think that since WP:FilmDist states "restricted to the country or countries that produced the film and (if different) the country where the film is first released", it is better to use WB only. WB has international exclusive deals with distributors who will distribute the film on behalf of WB. "Toho" should also be removed from the infobox of Godzilla (2014) in my opinion (but not from King of the Monsters due to the fact that Japan produced it). The distributors are mentioned in text, so there won't be much difference. Either way, it isn't something to chew on. nyxærös 18:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Again, it's part of a special arrangement when Legendary/WB acquired the Godzilla licence from Toho, and why Toho are officially credited in the GvK billing as seen here on the official website. WhoKnew99 (talk) 18:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - for all the reasons that Armegon and WhoKnew99 have stated, most heavily due to the fact that Warner is the only distributor for GvK except for Japan and how Warner has acquired Godzilla from Toho. KaitoNkmra23 talk 06:48, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Can we include the trailers current Youtube views and likes ? This is a world record breaking

Pretty amazing that just the youtube trailer from the Warners Bros.Pictures had now gathered 60.8 million views and 1.7 million likes in just 2+ weeks ( since January 24th 2021 ). This is a lot higher than most official music videos I've seen. Add all the trailers views and it's over 150 million views in just 2 weeks plus. This deserves a more significant recognition and mention, to show what a big deal this upcoming movie is becoming. Also 1.7 million likes is massive when considering the fact hat many music videos even with 200-300 million views don't get 1 million likes.

And this is only one U.S trailer from the Warnes Bro.s Pictures, other trailers also include a high number of youtube views. There's also another trailer from India, Latin America, U.K, Brazil and other various countries. One with 22 million views, another with 20 million views, another with 12 million views, And over 10+ videos with 500,000 to 11 million views Vamlos (talk) 18:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

We would need to use secondary sources noting the views, rather than refer to the videos themselves. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Is this a good secondary source that I can add ? the source is from the comicbook.com Godzilla vs Kong Trailer Breaks Important Warner Bros Record https://comicbook.com/anime/news/godzilla-vs-kong-trailer-most-views-record-warner-bros-movies/

This source doesn't tell us out the current views but it does say that total views in all platform is 25.7 millions. On the Marketing section it gives only 15.8 million views in 24 hours when the real views in 24 hours is 25.7 millions. -Vamlos (talk) 17:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

It's already covered. The Screen Rant source, which I provided weeks ago, already breaks down where the 25M views came from. Armegon (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Godzilla vs Kong Movie synopsis

If the beast of two different films is brought into the same film, there is bound to be a blast among the audience. Something similar is going to happen this year in 'Warner Bros.' This year two different beasts, Godzilla vs. Kong, will appear in the same film.

Not the official synopsis from Warner Bros. and Legendary. ChunkyCharlie69 (talk) 11:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

References

New Posters

Some new posters for the film have been released.

Sources:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/kaiju/godzilla_vs_kong/godzilla-vs-kong-composer-shares-the-titans-themes-new-reald-3d-imax-posters-released-a183152#gs.vq03nh

https://comicbook.com/anime/news/godzilla-vs-kong-new-imax-poster/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zroy96 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

☆ Dontarryho (talk) 11:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Early Reviews

Early critic reviews have been released, and they're pretty positive. The Critics are praising the monster scenes, the visuals, and the soundtrack, while reactions to some of the human scenes are somewhat mixed.

Sources:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2564674/godzilla-vs-kong-reactions-are-in-heres-what-people-are-saying

https://www.slashfilm.com/godzilla-vs-kong-early-buzz/

https://screenrant.com/godzilla-vs-kong-movie-early-reactions-reviews/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zroy96 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2021

Dark00knight (talk) 06:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

PLOT- Opening credits start with a bracket system showing all the Titans and their many battles, winners and losers, eventually Godzilla and Kong are the last ones left. Que title GODZILLA VS. KONG

Movie opens up with Kong waking on Skull Island. He bathes in a waterfall. Seemingly content. Jia (Kaylee Hottle), a lone and the last Iwi native, goes to visit Kong, Kong uproots a tree and throws it through the air like a spear, busting through an invisible barrier. We then see that Kong is in a giant dome of sorts on Skull Island being watched by Monarch as the island's climate has been destabilized.

Bernie Hayes (Brian Tyree Henry) is a conspiracy podcaster and former APEX employee, he is sneaking back into an APEX base in Florida to try and get footage of something sinister he believes the corporation to be up to when Godzilla suddenly attacks. During the rampage, Bernie discovers a new Orca device in the APEX base.

Madison Russell (Millie Bobby Brown) sees all the news about Godzilla's recent attack and is worried. She talks to her dad Mark (Kyle Chandler) on the phone who too is concerned because Monarch doesn’t know why Godzilla's acting this way.

Nathan Lind (Alexander Skarsgard) is a jaded Monarch scientist who had written a book on the Hollow Earth. He’s upset over his brother's death in Antarctica several years earlier during the only human attempted expedition to the Hollow Earth.

Walter Simmons (Demian Bichir) and Ren Serizawa (Shun Oguri) arrive at Nathan’s office. Walter Simmons tells Nathan that they believe they can find something in Hollow Earth that can stop Godzilla. Simmons reminds Nathan that based on his book, it is believed that Kong may be able to find the Hollow Earth based on natural instinct. They need to take Kong to Antarctica and follow him through the caves and down under the Earth’s surface. Walter tells Nathan he will bank roll the mission.

Madison listens to Bernie Haye's podcast and believes he can help her find out what’s the story behind Godzilla attacking. She enlists her friend Josh (Julian Dennison) to help her find Bernie.

Nathan goes to Skull Island and meets with Illene Andrews (Rebecca Hall) who he already knows and Jia. Nathan and Illene argue over using Kong, but Nathan convinces her because he says it may be Kong’s only way to find others like him.

Madison and Josh find Bernie. He’s at first suspicious of them but they earn his trust. Josh asks why Bernie has a gun (because he has a holster on his chest). Bernie says it's not a gun and pulls out a flask from the holster. He says he had the flask when his wife died and he won’t finish drinking it until “it’s all over”.

Nathan, Illene, and their team board an aircraft carrier with Kong. Maya Simmons (Eiza Gonzalez), Walter’s daughter, joins them to “look after the mission for her father”. On the aircraft, Nathan discovers that Jia and Kong can communicate with sign language. Godzilla senses Kong in the ocean and attacks the carrier and he and Kong fight. Kong holds his own but is obviously outmatched, Godzilla circles around to finish the job when the military shuts all the weapons and ships off to “Play dead”. It works and Godzilla leaves. Realizing that Godzilla will continue to come for Kong if he’s deemed a threat, Nathan and Ilene change their plan...

Bernie leads Madison and Josh through the Apex base in Florida to show them the Orca but when they arrive, it's gone.

Nathan, Illene, and their team bring Kong to Antarctica in a net carried by helicopters. When they get to Antarctica, Jia convinces Kong to go in the cave by telling him that he has family there. Kong and the team go into the caverns and travel deep below the surface.

Meanwhile, Bernie, Madison, and Josh find Skull Crawler eggs in the Apex's underground facility. They inspect them when all of a sudden, the platform they're on starts moving and Bernie, Madison, Josh and the Eggs are sucked into an underground tunnel that connects Florida to Hong Kong.

Kong leads the team to the Hollow Earth. There they find an environment where gravity in the atmosphere is higher but the ecosystem resembles Skull Island's surface only far more fantastical. Suddenly, the team's HEAV is attacked by Bat-like-snakes called Nozuki. Kong defeats them and they continue to travel through Hollow Earth. Kong finds a big cave-like area that has a handprint like his on the wall. He follows it and enters into a throne room. He sits on the throne as a glowing blue energy substance creeps through the rocks (the blue substance resembles Godzilla’s atomic energy).

Bernie, Madison, and Josh finally stop at a hanger like base in Hong Kong where they find a massive mechanical titan resembling Godzilla. Terrified, they begin to run when one of the Skull Crawlers hatches and attacks Madison. The robot suddenly activates and disposes of the Skull Crawler with ease before shutting down.

Ren sits in King Ghidorah’s skull, which is now been turned into a control base for the "Mechagodzilla". He steps out and talks with Walter. Walter says when they get the power from the Hollow Earth, they will be able to power MechaGodzilla properly and he wont shut down immediately.

Meanwhile, Kong finds an axe passed down by generations of Kongs in rocks where it appears the blue energy is flowing towards it. Maya Simmons and her Apex team begin to extract some of the blue energy and uploads it to Mechagodzilla.

Godzilla, sensing something, attacks Hong Kong. He supercharges his atomic breath and fires it straight down through the ground, all the way to Hollow Earth.

Kong’s throne room begins to collapse from Godzilla's supercharged blast, which causes bat-like creatures called Hell Hawks to attack. Kong fights them off but Maya Simmons is killed. Kong, Nathan, Illene and Jia use the hole from Godzilla’s blast to escape, popping up in Hong Kong.

Godzilla and Kong have their brutal round 2 battle. Kong eventually gets a strong blow on Godzilla and knocks him down, Nathan says “I guess Round 2 goes to Kong...”

Bernie, Maddison and Josh find the Ghidorah skull and Bernie realizes that they are using Ghidorah’s Telekinesis to pilot MechaGodzilla from there. They continue to snoop around but are finally caught.

Godzilla gets back up and the two continue their fight.

The upload of Hollow Earth energy is complete. Ren warns that they don’t know the capability of the new Hollow Earth energy, but Walter ignores his pleas and orders him to activate Mechagodzilla. Walter villain monologues in the control room to Bernie, Madison, and Josh but MechaGodzilla goes haywire and Ren is shocked to death in Ghidorah's skull. Mechagodzilla awakens with a mind of its own and kills Walter.

Godzilla goes on all fours like an alligator and mauls Kong unconscious- beating him.

The victory is short lived as Mechagodzilla explodes from Victoria Peak and attacks the city. Godzilla turns his sights on the robot...

Jia tells Illene and Nathan that Kong is dying. She can feel his heartbeat slowing.

Bernie tells Josh and Madison they have to try and help shut down Mechagodzilla. Josh tries to hack into the computer but ultimately fails.

Godzilla and Mechagodzilla battle but Godzilla's severely outmatched...

Nathan and Illene mcgyver a defibrillator out of their HEAV and blow it up on Kong’s chest. It works and Kong awakens. Jia convinces Kong to help Godzilla

Godzilla and Kong team-up against Mechagodzilla however they're still no match for Mechagodzilla and he defeats Godzilla. Mechagodzilla grabs Kong by the throat and transforms his hand into a drill and readies to kill Kong.

Bernie pulls out his flask and goes “I guess this is it” but before he can take a drink, Josh yells “that’s it!” and grabs the flask and pours it down the fan of the computer, short circuiting it.

Mechagodzilla stalls for a moment. Godzilla weakly raises his head and looks to Kong, in a last ditch effort, Godzilla fires his atomic breath at Kong's axe, supercharging it. Kong swings and hacks Mechagodzilla to pieces, destroying him once and for all

Bernie, Madison, and Josh reunite with Mark Russell.

Godzilla, feebly stands and he and Kong lock eyes. Kong drops his axe and Godzilla roars into the sky before leaving.

The final shot has Illene and Jia watching Kong in the Hollow Earth. Kong stands on a cliff and looks off into the distance as The Air I Breathe by The Hollies plays.

This plot summary is too long. Per Wikipedia:How_to_write_a_plot_summary it should be 400-700 words. This is well over 1400 words. Please trim significantly. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I've mamaned to take a good 400 words off, but it needs futher refinement:

Several years following the events in Boston, Kong and Godzilla are the last remaining active Titans on Earth. On Skull Island, the climate has been destabilized and Monarch watches over Kong, who resides within a giant dome. Kong is visited by Jia, the last Iwi native.

Bernie Hayes, a former APEX employee, sneaks into an APEX base in Florida to try and get footage of something sinister he believes the corporation to be up to when Godzilla suddenly attacks. During the rampage, Bernie discovers a new ORCA device in the APEX base. Meanwhile, Madison Russell discusses Godzilla's attacks with her father Mark.

Nathan Lind, a former Monarch scientist who had written a book on the Hollow Earth, is met by Walter Simmons and Ren Serizawa. Walter tells Nathan that they believe they can find something in Hollow Earth that can stop Godzilla. Simmons reminds Nathan that based on his book, it is believed that Kong may be able to find the Hollow Earth based on natural instinct. They need to take Kong to Antarctica and follow him through the caves and down under the Earth’s surface. Walter agrees to bank roll the mission.

Madison listens to Bernie's podcast and believes he can help her find out what’s the story behind Godzilla attacking. She enlists her friend Josh ) to help her find Bernie.

Nathan goes to Skull Island and meets with Illene Andrews and Jia. Nathan and Illene argue over using Kong, but Nathan tells her it may be Kong’s only way to find others like him.

Madison and Josh find Bernie.

Nathan, Illene, and their team board an aircraft carrier with Kong. Maya, Walter’s daughter, joins them. On the aircraft, Nathan discovers that Jia and Kong can communicate with sign language. Godzilla senses Kong in the ocean and attacks the carrier and he and Kong fight. After the military deactivates its weaponry, Godzilla leaves. Realizing that Godzilla will continue to come for Kong if he’s deemed a threat, Nathan and Ilene change their plan.

Bernie leads Madison and Josh through the Apex base in Florida to show them the Orca but when they arrive, it's gone.

Nathan, Illene, and their team bring Kong to Antarctica in a net carried by helicopters. Jia convinces Kong to go in the cave by telling him that he has family there. Kong and the team go into the caverns and travel deep below the surface.

Meanwhile, Bernie, Madison, and Josh find Skull Crawler eggs in APEX's underground facility. They are transported into an underground tunnel that connects Florida to Hong Kong.

Kong leads the team to the Hollow Earth. There they find an ecosystem similar Skull Island. The team's HEAV is attacked by Nozuki. Kong defeats them and they continue to travel through Hollow Earth. Kong finds a big cave-like area that has a handprint like his on the wall. He follows it and enters into a throne room. He sits on the throne as a glowing blue energy creeps through the rocks.

Bernie, Madison, and Josh stop at a base in Hong Kong where they find a massive mechanical titan resembling Godzilla. Terrified, they begin to run when one of the Skull Crawlers hatches and attacks Madison. The machine suddenly activates and disposes of the Skull Crawler with ease before shutting down.

Ren sits in King Ghidorah’s skull, which is now been turned into a control base for the "Mechagodzilla". When APEX gets the power from the Hollow Earth, they will be able to power MechaGodzilla properly.

Meanwhile, Kong finds an axe passed down by generations of Kongs in rocks where it appears the blue energy is flowing towards it. Maya and her APEX team begin to extract some of the blue energy.

Godzilla attacks Hong Kong. He supercharges his atomic breath and fires it straight down through the ground, all the way to Hollow Earth. Kong’s throne room begins to collapse from Godzilla's blast. Hell Hawks attack. Kong fights them off but Maya is killed. Kong, Nathan, Illene and Jia use the hole from Godzilla’s blast to escape.

Godzilla and Kong fight for a second time. Kong eventually knocks Godzilla down. Meanwhile, Bernie, Maddison and Josh find the Ghidorah skull and Bernie realizes that they are using Ghidorah’s Telekinesis to pilot MechaGodzilla from there. They continue to snoop around but are caught.

Godzilla gets back up and resumes his fight with Kong.

The upload of Hollow Earth energy is complete. Ren warns that they don’t know the capability of the new Hollow Earth energy, but Walter ignores his pleas and orders him to activate Mechagodzilla. MechaGodzilla goes haywire and Ren is electrocuted to death. Mechagodzilla awakens with a mind of its own and kills Walter.

Godzilla goes on all fours like an alligator and mauls Kong unconscious- beating him. Mechagodzilla explodes from Victoria Peak and attacks the city. Godzilla turns his sights on the machine. Meanwhile, Jia tells Illene and Nathan that Kong is dying.

Bernie tells Josh and Madison they have to try and help shut down Mechagodzilla. Josh tries to hack into the computer but ultimately fails.

Godzilla and Mechagodzilla battle but Godzilla's severely outmatched. Nathan and Illene create a defibrillator out of their HEAV and blow it up on Kong’s chest. Kong reawakens. Jia convinces Kong to help Godzilla.

Godzilla and Kong team-up against Mechagodzilla. However, they're still no match for Mechagodzilla and he defeats Godzilla. Mechagodzilla grabs Kong by the throat and transforms his tail into a drill and readies to kill Kong.

Bernie pulls out his flask, but before he can take a drink, Josh grabs the flask and pours it over the computer, short-circuiting it.

Mechagodzilla stalls for a moment. Godzilla fires his atomic breath at Kong's axe, supercharging it. Kong swings and destroys Mechagodzilla.

Bernie, Madison, and Josh reunite with Mark Russell, while Godzilla feebly stands and he and Kong lock eyes. Kong drops his axe and Godzilla roars into the sky before leaving.

The final shot has Illene and Jia watching Kong in the Hollow Earth. Kong stands on a cliff and looks off into the distance.

This is still over the word count by 300 words, so further refinement, as I said, is needed. Gistech (talk) 14:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

kamesh Vendja 2409:4043:913:B950:0:0:151B:40B0 (talk) 10:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Requires way more refinement and polishing. Sentences and word choices need to be refined so that it’s encyclopaedic. In addition to this, the plot CANNOT be added until the US film release on March 31 to avoid spoilers. KaitoNkmra23 talk 10:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@KaitoNkmra23: AFAIK, spoilers should not be a point of consideration per WP:SPOIL. --17jiangz1 (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Is Godzilla vs kong going to be released in 3D in lndia? If yes when.

I want this question to be answered soon Ponduri Sashank (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Australian film?

Hello, I'm not sure of the protocol with categorizing films but should this be categorized as an Australian film just because that is where some of the filming happened? I would think the "nationality" of the film would be determined by the production company but I'm reluctant to change up the categories when there are editors around here who specialize in film articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2021

Airlift to be changed to airlifted Shazzathebrit (talk) 03:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

To editor Shazzathebrit:  Already done by another editor. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 08:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

plot

i cant edit it because its semi protected but why does it say kong "won" the second round? he got one good shot in with his axe and then godzilla got back up and beat him to a pulp. Nathan said "looks like the second round goes to kong" but immediatly after godzilla nearly kills him. the plot should say that kong holds his ground with is new axe but is eventually defeated, at no point in the battle did he "win" or "defeat godzilla"

Agreed. There are no rounds in a fight to the death anyway. And even if there were rounds, in order to win around you have to be knocked out from the attack. Godzilla got up seconds after that and wrecks Kong later. Kong lost that entire fight. Godzilla won 2-0 against Kong. SG1994! (talk) 22:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

It's in the actual dialog. Anything else is OR. And I removed your insult. Absolutely inappropriate. oknazevad (talk) 00:34, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Doesn’t matter if it’s an actual dialogue. It’s a mere speculation and assumption. It’s not factual. Kong didn’t win round 2. You can’t win around just by knocking somebody down. It doesn’t make any logical sense. Because Godzilla was only down for a few seconds space in their films real time. But he was still conscious and got right back up immediately. Kong knew the fight wasn’t over. That’s why he got on top of a building to attack Godzilla while he gets up. I mean if you are in a street fight, you knock somebody down for a few seconds but he gets back up, does that mean you won the round? No. Cuz that means the opponent is still in the fight. Especially, if he ends up beating your ass afterwards. So knocking someone down is kinda pointless if the opponent is still conscious or gets back up quickly. Godzilla recovered too quickly for that to result in Kong winning a round. Plus it doesn’t matter. Adam Wingard already said that Godzilla won both rounds. And the film was only meant to have one winner between the two. So taking Alexander Skarsgård’s character statement seriously, only contradicts Wingard’s intentions. Which most sources are saying he was on point. SG1994! (talk) 15:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Keep in mind, Dr. Lind’s statement is meant to serve as a fake out as he assumed Kong won. But he was clearly wrong. Just stating the facts. SG1994! (talk) 15:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

And FYI, Armegon did state that assumption was speculative and not factual. SG1994! (talk) 15:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Ghidorah Controls Mechagodzilla?

I feel that this is the one thing that will trigger an edit war in the future. I think it would be wise to establish a consensus now. I believe it would be speculative to add in the plot summary that Ghidorah takes control of Mechagodzilla. The film never confirms it, much less the characters. I think it'd be more neutral to iterate what you see onscreen: Walter and Ren lose control of Mechagodzilla. That's it. Let readers decide for themselves. Thoughts? Armegon (talk) 21:07, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Well the mecha is using Ghidorah’s (quote) “self generating neural pathways capable of intuitive learning,” whilst Madison also mentions specifically “Ghidorah.” The film also shows that the connection between the body of the mecha and the pilot is lost. I think that it is worth mentioning that Ghidorah takes controlling the mecha since KOTM and GvK have laid the groundwork beforehand but I’d have to see what others’ opinions are before reaching a final consensus. KaitoNkmra23 talk 21:14, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Bernie also says it's a "psionic uplink. It follows his will", but never specifies who's will. Ren's or Ghidorah's? Unfortunately, the lack of specifics is an invitation to speculation, which will lead to a potential edit war. Like I said, it'd be best to stick with a neutral path where we only describe what you see on-screen: Walter and Ren lose control of Mechagodzilla. Armegon (talk) 21:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

So it seems that some sources, like this one, also subscribe to the implications that Ghidorah took control of Mechagodzilla. Armegon (talk) 16:25, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Director Adam Wingard has said in a Reddit AMA: "I think it's the ghost of Ghidorah possessing Mecha's A.I. creating a new personality." -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 15:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I was kind of thinking a bit like that too but I generally don't agree with this theory. At first I though Mechagodzilla gone haywire when the pilot was killed. The pilot Ren Serizawa telephatically controlled mechagodzilla due to trying harness the Hollow Earth's energy which made Mechagodzilla crazy and out of controlled. Later I remembered they they mentioned Ghidorah, I kind of felt Ghidorah was playing a role on Mechagodzilla but it didn't felt realistic enough to say mechagodzilla was telepathically Ghidorah. Mechagodzilla is still just a human created machine and in many movies, animes we have seen machines who gone haywire and just go and destroy everything they see. In the end of movie I think most people including me just felt it was a fighting machine out of control with battle mode on.Vamlos (talk) 11:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

Kaylee Hottle as Jia: A young and mute orphan Iwi native who forms a special bond with Kong, and is Ilene's adopted daughter

Respectfully submitting a request to change the descriptor of mute to deaf for character Jia. Like her character, the actor Kaylee Hottle, can neither verbally speak nor hear, so Deaf may be a better descriptor for Jia. Rosegoldincali (talk) 02:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

 Already done Sincerely, Deauthorized. (talk) 03:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2021

It should be noted in the plot that during the ship voyage, Kong and Jia can talk to each other through sign language which he has learned from Ilia as she was teaching Jia, and it is revealed that Jia and Kong communicate in secret. 2A00:23C6:C80F:9401:602C:409A:6A93:E7E4 (talk) 22:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: There are no WP:RS provided for this statement, and it does not appear

pivotal to the storyline that they do so in secret. Terasail^[✉] 23:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Opening sentence

MOS:CONTEXTLINK has the following passages:

• "The opening sentence should provide links to the broader or more elementary topics that are important to the article's topic or place it into the context where it is notable."
• "Exactly what provides the context needed to understand a given topic varies greatly from topic to topic."
• "Do not, however, add contextual links that don't relate directly to the topic's definition or reason for notability."
• "Links appearing ahead of the bolded term distract from the topic if not necessary to establish context, and should be omitted even if they might be appropriate elsewhere in the text."

Why is it being argued that Adam Wingard is the more appropriate "broader or more elementary topic" for this film than Godzilla and Kong? Why is it being argued that Adam Wingard is related more directly to the topic than Godzilla and Kong? Why is Adam Wingard more necessary to establish context than Godzilla and Kong? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem is not exactly which is more necessary to establish context, but "Godzilla vs. Kong is a monster film featuring Godzilla and Kong" is just not good writing. The title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text. Avoid redundancy in the first sentence to provide relevant information that is not already given by the title of the article. ภץאคгöร 17:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like you think the very first sentence of MOS:CONTEXTLINK should be ignored because to link to Godzilla and King Kong respectively as the broader topics that contextualize this film is "just not good writing"? That it is better to instead only link to them in the fifth sentence? And you also think Adam Wingard is a suitable replacement in the first sentence and somehow satisfies the above, that it is notable as an Adam Wingard movie? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:42, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed with Nyxaros. I made a similar argument when I undid the same edit (1). Opening the lead with "Godzilla vs. Kong is a 2021 American monster film featuring Godzilla and Kong Kong" is unnecessary overkill. Context here is unnecessary because the title of the film alone already provides the context. Furthermore, the following sentence also provides additional context: "A sequel to Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) and Kong: Skull Island (2017)...It is also the 36th film in the Godzilla franchise, the 12th film in the King Kong franchise...etc". MOS:CONTEXTLINK doesn't state that links to "broader or more elementary topics" should only be established in the opening sentence. It also states "or place it into the context where it is notable." That's already been achieved with the premise, Kong, Godzilla, and Mechagodzilla's articles are already linked. Armegon (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Erik's edit would make sense for an article like Son of Kong, Invasion of Astro-Monster, or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep where context in the lead's opening sentence is important, but not in a film titled Godzilla vs. Kong. Again, the title alone gives you the context already. Armegon (talk) 19:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2021

The hollow earth plot piece may have been influenced by the hollow earth (Pellucidar) novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellucidar Whom was also the screenwriter of the original King Kong. 74.133.12.147 (talk) 03:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Without a reliable source, this is just original research. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

By the way: 1.) The Hollow Earth theory has been around longer than Edgar Rice Burroughs, who 2.) was not the screenwriter of King Kong. An Edgar WALLACE was.Crboyer (talk) 04:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Monorail v Hyperloop

Hi. The transport to Hong Kong is definitely not a monorail. The pod seems to float on magnetic suspension of some kind. I'd argue it is closer to a hyperloop.

I'd recommend reading Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a forum. Armegon (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Why this recommendation?

Positive reviews.

Wordings such as "Mixed to positive" have been discussed many times and are generally discouraged.[6] Please revert the edits that changed it to that[7] and restore the status-quo/previous wording of "generally positive" reviews.

Editors should be able to weigh up the scores and decide if the reviews are either "generally positive" or "mixed" and not equivocate or to try to have it both ways. In this case (RT 75%/378; MC 59%/57) the number of reviews at Metacritic is relatively small and review count at Rotten Tomatoes is considerable, so it does not seem unreasonable to put more weight/emphasis on positive, which is what the previous wording seemed to be doing. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 16:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Armegon reverted similar changes already[8] but did not explain why, or that this wording had long been discouraged, and newer users might not be familiar with the past discussions. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 16:51, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Armegon has restored the previous wording.[9] If you disagree please read the past discussion about mixed to positive then discuss. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 22:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Crew listing

The § Crew section on this article as well as the previous two Godzilla films are pure trivia and should be removed. I have seen no other film articles that do this, so there is no reason why the MonsterVerse Godzilla films should be any different. WP:FILMPRODUCTION also makes no mention of a "Crew" section, nor does it say anything about listing film crews. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

You're right, WP:FILMPRODUCTION makes no mention about film crews or listing them, however, it does not forbid or discourage adding them either. Whether they are trivial is a matter of subjective perspective. As one who studies filmmaking, I must ask, are film crews truly trivial? The cast would look horrible if there was no costume designer. There would be no monsters or fantastical settings without an effects supervisor. The film itself wouldn't exist if it weren't for the executive producers and co-producer who contributed in getting the film made. I understand it makes sense to only cite specific roles on the infobox and lead, due to space and brevity. However, we can list film crews in the body. I also understand we can't list every single credit. That's why I only listed the ones supported by a reliable source. Armegon (talk) 05:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

I also only listed credits not cited in the infobox. I also want to note that I have listed film crews for Godzilla, Godzilla, King of the Monsters!, and Godzilla Raids Again and all three articles passed GA nominations with the film crews retained. Armegon (talk) 05:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it wouldn't feel so trivial if there was some commentary attached, but right now it's just a bulleted list with a bunch of names and roles. Remember, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

To be fair, WP:NOTDATABASE holds no water here because WP:PERSONNEL allows and encourages the same "bulleted list of names/roles" that you're campaigning against. Even the Edge of Tomorrow and Interstellar film articles (where I got the idea from) lists film crew credits in their body and both also passed GA nominations with the crew credits retained. So, it's evident that general Wiki consensus finds such lists of names/roles notable for listing because there is no criteria or discouragement on when/where such credits are allowed or not allowed. The only big rule I see from WP:PERSONNEL is that such credits should be attributed to reliable sources, which I have provided for all these articles with credits listed. Armegon (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Interesting now that you bring up Interstellar and Edge of Tomorrow, both of which appear to be unsourced. WP:PERSONNEL doesn't really matter in this context as the guidelines were meant for music albums. With that being said, I'll let this go at this time. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2022

Request to link the article Godzilla vs. Kong (soundtrack) in the Music section; also change the content from (X to Y) in that section.

X: In June 2020, Tom Holkenborg was announced as the film's composer. Wingard met with Holkenborg in 2018, where Holkenborg admitted to recreationally writing music for Godzilla years prior due to being a fan. Holkenborg subsequently began communicating with the director, tweaked the material, and played it for the director, stating that Wingard was "totally in love." Holkenborg requested a bass drum roughly ten feet in diameter, but the builder was only able to scale it down to eight feet. As with Legendary's previous Godzilla trailers, György Ligeti's "Requiem" was used, followed by "Here We Go" by Chris Classic. The song "The Air That I Breathe" by The Hollies was used in the credits scene. The soundtrack was released by WaterTower Music on March 26, 2021.

Wingard felt it was "insincere" to repurpose the themes by Akira Ifukube because he associated them with Toho's Godzilla. Instead, Wingard wished to go in a different direction to create themes that were unique to the MonsterVerse's Godzilla, while paying homage to its influences. Holkenborg wanted to create a Godzilla theme that "lived and breathed" the history behind monster themes. Lower brass and big tympanis were used to emphasize the power of Godzilla. Holkenborg wanted Godzilla's theme to be slow and sluggish to reflect Godzilla.

For the film's Japanese release, Man with a Mission contributed the track "Into the Deep". Regarding the track's inclusion, Wingard commented, "I'm thrilled that an inspiring song from a groundbreaking band like Man with a Mission will be playing alongside the battle in Godzilla vs. Kong."

Y: In June 2020, Tom Holkenborg was announced as the film's composer. Wingard met with Holkenborg in 2018, where Holkenborg admitted to recreationally writing music for Godzilla years prior due to being a fan. Holkenborg subsequently began communicating with the director, tweaked the material, and played it for the director, stating that Wingard was "totally in love." As with Legendary's previous Godzilla trailers, György Ligeti's "Requiem" was used, followed by "Here We Go" by Chris Classic. The song "The Air That I Breathe" by The Hollies was used in the credits scene. The soundtrack was released by WaterTower Music on March 31, 2021.

223.178.87.36 (talk) 02:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

References

 Not done: The article Godzilla vs. Kong (soundtrack) is already linked. The removal of the "Holkenborg requested a bass drum..." sentence is properly sourced and no reason is given for removal. There is no reason given for the section "Wingard felt it was..." to be removed. The date change is not supported in the source. Terasail^[✉️] 13:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Is this what is meant by "both Titans "?

If they are not MUTOs, why are you so unwilling to rewriting to say what is meant by "both Titans "? tahc ^chat 22:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never said "both Titans". I said that the MUTO article is about the two MUTO characters from Gareth Edwards' GODZILLA. Armegon (talk) 22:54, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

So you reverted this edit of mine without looking at it or reading its edit summary?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Godzilla_vs._Kong&diff=next&oldid=1116249530

tahc ^chat 23:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you meant by "is this what is meant by 'both Titans'?" but your edit was crystal clear and warranted reversion. I already explained why in my edit summary...multiple times. On top of that, the term "MUTO" is never used in GODZILLA VS. KONG. So I don't understand why there's a need to link "Titan" with an article that has nothing to do with the Titans. Armegon (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

The plot summary says (among other things) that "As Mechagodzilla overpowers both Titans..." and you don't know who these two monsters are-- but you are clear they are not the 2 monsters from the 2014 film-- and you want the plot summary to stay confusing, rather than look into what the two monsters might monsters be? tahc ^chat 01:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

From what I can tell, "both Titans" refers to Godzilla and Kong in the plot section. Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 22:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. I don't understand how one would be confused by "As Mechagodzilla overpowers both Titans", unless one hasn't seen the movie. Armegon (talk) 22:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Eiga-Kevin2 for being a sensible editor who doesn't speak in some sort of code.

Yes Armegon-- I am reading the article exactly because I have not seen the movie. Why would I need to read the plot summary unless I had not seen the movie.

Now that you have discovered the obvious, Armegon, do you want to tell us why you worked so hard to keep the plot summary unclear? tahc ^chat 04:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Look. If you're gonna be rude and sardonic, then this discussion is over. Next time, take the issue to the article's talk page, not an editor's talk page. The only one confused about the plot summary and edit summaries is you. No one else has found the wording "unclear" since March 2021 except you. Unless you can build a consensus that favors "both Godzilla and Kong" over "both Titans", then the previous wording remains per WP:QUO. How's that for speaking in code. Armegon (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Eiga-Kevin2:: Armegon's argument seems to be that no one has complained up until now, so it must be good as it is. Does anyone else think that "there was nothing wrong with the previous wording"? and Armegon's revert [here]? tahc ^chat 15:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

As someone else who hasn't seen the movie, I agree with Tahc. The word "Titan" is used three times in the plot summary with no accompanying explanation of what the term means. There's a reference to "the Hollow Earth, the homeworld of the Titans" -- are Godzilla and Kong the only Titans, or are there others in this homeworld? There definitely needs to be more clarity here. Barry Wom (talk) 09:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The film itself gives no explanation to what the term means because the viewer is expected to have already seen the previous film Godzilla: King of the Monsters to know what the term means. The lead makes it clear to readers that this is a MonsterVerse film and is a sequel to King of the Monsters, with links already provided to those two articles that already give context/clarity to what a Titan is. But if there are certain readers who are incapable of reading between the lines, or watching the movie, then we can rewrite that part as "homeworld of the monsters, known as 'Titans'" or we can add a footnote to "host of a Titan conspiracy podcast" where the term is first introduced. Or we can add it to the lead? Have it rewritten as "from his home to the Hollow Earth, the homeworld of the monsters known as 'Titans'." Thoughts? Armegon (talk) 13:11, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I imagine in the film there's sufficient context for the viewer to understand what a "Titan" is without having seen the previous film? In any case, I don't think readers should have to follow links to other pages to understand a plot summary.

Any of your proposed solutions is fine, but I think it should also be made clear that the Titans are a group of monsters which includes Godzilla and Kong and doesn't refer to simply the two of them. Barry Wom (talk) 13:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

For the sake of clarity, and to end this trivial matter, I added context to both the lead and plot summary. I trust this "dispute" is now settled. Armegon (talk) 14:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Almost there, but you've removed Tahc's request for clarification ("the 2019 film clearly tells us all giant monsters are known as "Titans", but this article does not") without addressing the issue. The lede now says "humans move the ape from his home to the Hollow Earth, homeworld of the monsters known as "Titans"", which implies that Kong is not a Titan. Barry Wom (talk) 15:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The issue of clarity has been addressed by adding to the lead and plot summary that the monsters in this film are known as "Titans".[10] Godzilla and Kong are both giant monsters. The term obviously applies to them too. How else old would one identify a 400 foot tall reptile/ape? Certainly not as zoo animals. Perhaps you should've seen the movie before throwing your two-cents? Twelve-minutes and twenty-three seconds into the film, a news clip shows a CNN text reading "Godzilla No Longer Titan Savior" and literally 7 seconds later, Godzilla is referred to as the "massive Titan" by the reporter. You can even watch that scene here.

MOS:FILMPLOT states to "avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail" and since the film is the primary source, it also adds "a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims". It's redundant to add something like "by the way, Godzilla and Kong are Titans too" (hmm you don't say?) since adding "monsters known as 'Titans'" to the lead/summary is descriptive and clear enough. Readers can read between the lines and are competent enough to deduce that a 400 foot tall reptile/ape are giant monsters.

As for the other issue, I changed it from "move the ape from his home" to "move the ape from Skull Island" since that is literally the sequence of events that happen in the film. Armegon (talk) 16:39, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

It took me twelve seconds and twenty-three milliseconds to read your post. And literally seven milliseconds later I realised you appear to be missing the point.

Perhaps you should've seen the movie before throwing your two-cents?

So you're suggesting that anyone who has a problem with the unclear wording in the plot summary should just watch the movie, where all will be explained? As Tahc pointed out above, why would a reader who has already seen the film be interested in reading the plot summary? I can't imagine a film featuring two big monsters having a fight has a particularly complex narrative.

Readers can read between the lines

Readers shouldn't be forced to read between the lines. Two different editors, neither of whom has seen the film, have pointed out that the summary is currently inadequate. And your recent amendments haven't fully addressed the problem. Barry Wom (talk) 10:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what to tell you other than the issue has already been addressed [11][12] and literally no one has had an issue with the plot summary, especially something so trivial, since March 2021. You think the Marvel Cinematic Universe plot summaries give the same clarity as you and tac are demanding? Avengers: Infinity War's plot summary doesn't even clarify or give description to what an infinity stone or Wakanda are, or who Thanos, Tony Stark Thor, or who any of those characters are. Likewise, Captain America: Civil War's plot summary doesn't clarify who Ultron is either, and those articles passed GA nominations with little to no clarity. It requires readers to either have already seen the films or read between the lines.

Here's one last ditch effort on my end: why don't YOU contribute some suggestions? I'm the only one that's been the ideas man so far. A little participation would be nice since you and tac are the ones with the issue. Armegon (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Happy to do so if you answer a couple of questions:

• Would describing the Titans as a "race of giant monsters" be correct?
• If Kong is a Titan and the homeworld of the Titans is Hollow Earth, is Kong's homeworld also Hollow Earth or is it Skull Island?
• If the latter, is Kong the only Titan whose homeworld is not Hollow Earth?

Barry Wom (talk) 16:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

• I wouldn't say "race" is the correct phrase to use. The press release describes them as an "ecosystem of other giant super-species" and Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019 film) calls them an "ancient and forgotten super-species" and name Godzilla, Kong, and the MUTOs under the category of "Titans". You can watch the clip HERE.
• Godzilla vs. Kong makes it clear that the Hollow Earth is the Titan's homeworld and that Skull Island is a piece of the Hollow Earth that made it to the surface long ago. Godzilla vs. Kong also makes it clear that the Hollow Earth is the homeworld of Godzilla and Kong's species because there was an ancient war between the two species that originated in the Hollow Earth.
• The reason Kong is used to guide humans to the Hollow Earth is because he, and other Titans, have genetic memory: an impulse to return to their evolutionary source. One character says "so a Titan can show you the way?" and they choose Kong to show them the way to Hollow Earth.
• I'm sure there's other Titans whose homeworld is not Hollow Earth but the only Titan that's been confirmed as "not part of the natural order" is King Ghidorah, who's just an alien. I already identified Ghidorah as an "alien dragon" in the plot summary.
• All the Titans are given scientific names. Godzilla's is "Titanus Gojira" and Kong is "Titanus Kong". You can check out their names HERE. Ghidorah does not have a scientific name beginning with "Titanus". His scientific name is "Monster Zero".

As you can see, the term "Titan" is strongly emphasized and synonymous with the monsters. Armegon (talk) 17:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

It should be noted that the entire discussion above was copy/pasted from a discussion that Tac brought to my personal talk page, instead of bringing it to this talk page like they should have done from the start. With that said, I made it repeatedly clear multiple times across multiple articles why his edits warranted reversion [13], [14], [15], [16]. He then proceeded to bring a separate issue on my talk page regarding what is meant by "both Titans" from a sentence in the GODZILLA VS. KONG article plot summary that reads: "As Mechagodzilla overpowers both Titans". The plot summary makes it clear that "both Titans" refers to both Godzilla and Kong in that moment. If Tac had actually seen the movie, they would see that Mechagodzilla only fights Godzilla and Kong in that sequence. Additionally, the term "Titan" is used repeatedly in the film to refer to the monsters, not "MUTO". So why is Tac finding this confusing or hard to understand? Yet, Tac decided to turn it into a bigger deal than necessary, even going so far to be rude and sardonic towards me [17].

I don't know if this is all a big misunderstanding coming from Tahc's lack of understanding proper English grammar because there's some signs that English may not be their first or primary language i.e. "but you are clear they are not the 2 monsters from the 2014 film" or "why are you so unwilling to rewriting to say what is meant by 'both Titans'". Or if Tac is just trolling because there's also signs that the editor's conduct is WP:NOTHERE, WP:NOTGETTINGIT, and a lack of competence, per WP:CIR. This is an issue that shouldn't be an issue to begin with. Tac is the only one confused, the only one not getting it (or perhaps refuses to get it?) and wasting everyone's time and efforts by clutching at straws. Armegon (talk) 21:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I do not see it as two different issues. Without any clarity on what the two titans were, the MUTO page clearly claims that MUTOs were called Titans in later films, as if it was their specific name. My first edit reflected that.

You convinced me the two titans were not MUTOs, but you didn't want to say what the two titans were instead. I went to your talk page because you seemed to have something against me and my edits personally and hoped taking it there would help resolve it. I don't want to re-hash the whole fight, but you really need a better attitude when someone makes tiny edits that you do not yet see the need for, per Wikipedia:Ownership of content.

By the way, English is my first and only language, thou I do leave out important words sometimes. I am merely willing to edit a page about a film I have not seen, if I had to go read a bunch of other pages to understand an unexplained term-- but turned out I still didn't understand it. tahc ^chat 23:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Not what happened, but okay? You're free to tell your version but anybody who checks the time/date and revision history will see what really happened and who actually needs a "better attitude". I reverted your edits in good faith without any tone or attitude [18],[19],[20],[21]. Yet you were the one that took it personal and came to my talk page with an attitude problem first.[22],[23] If you're gonna get this emotional every time someone reverts your edits, then your tenure on Wiki may prove shortlived. So it's best if you acquire a better attitude.

And you clearly did not read Wikipedia:Ownership of content because you missed WP:OAS. You failed to assume good faith and instead assumed I claimed "ownership". I'm one of few that is "shepherding" this article to prevent non-constructive edits. I followed WP:BRD. You were bold, I challenged it, I explained in my edit summaries but that wasn't enough for you cuz you took it personal by taking it to my talk page instead of the article talk page. Again, you really need a better attitude. Armegon (talk) 00:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Plot details

Just a quick mention that I apologise if I added too much to the plot but I felt the details I re added (I made sure to add less to avoid too much information) were relevant and noticed that Maya Simmons’ name had been misspelled as “Maia”, which it is not. 81.129.182.156 (talk) 01:15, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Your edits have been reverted. MOS:FILMPLOT states "The plot summary is an overview of the film's main events, so avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail." Also, the film's end credits have Eiza González's character listed as "Maia", not "Maya". So, we will go by what the film states, per MOS:FILMCAST. Armegon (talk) 01:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)