Talk:Proposed coat of arms of Macedonia

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Which Macedonia is referred to?[edit]

Please see the discussion here so that we don't repeat arguments on several pages at the same time.--Anothroskon (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

This is a better place to discuss about the lion.
What is the source of this? Very well, I see a lion. Who wrote "Macedonia" under the lion? Is this from a book or the original roll? What is the heading? Is it the only source? P34ch (talk) 16:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
It is similar to the Bulgarian one. Can someone translate this page? I see 1724 down the bottom. P34ch (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Something is definitely not right. See these maps: 1, 2, 3. Not to mention the latin ending (-ae). I suspect that this is a lion found in Macedonia, not the lion of Macedonia. Too much original research for me. P34ch (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
From my understanding so far this is a CoA found in Bosnia that is supposed to represent Macedonia. That is fine so far even though no WP:RS has been presented to that effect. The real problem lies in determining which Macedonia is referred to. The modern geographic region? But that was defined much later. The Byzantine theme? But that existed much earlier. The ancient kingdom? The modern province? We don't know because we don't have a WP:RS dealing with that. So it should be clarified with a WP:RS before being used or else it should be clearly labelled that we are not sure what the word Macedoniae refers to.--Anothroskon (talk) 17:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm fairly positive that this is a golden lion found in Macedonia (another version of the Bulgarian one), not the Golden Lion of Macedonia. If it's dated around 1340, we need no further proof, history speaks for itself. P34ch (talk) 14:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, than let me see a source that the lion is referring to the Byzantine theme of Macedonia. Tomica1111 (talk) 1111tomica

Can you please pin point what is wrong with the article? I would like to help in order to remove the tags. I have a book about the lions and there are the authors of the lions. All lions in this article refer to Republic of Macedonia and region of Macedonia (Byzantine themes or similar things). Fojnica is one of the oldest scrolls where Macedonian lion can be seen. Plus, Byzantine Empire and Rome have nothing to do with the lion, since those two empires had eagles as symbols. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

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Name change[edit]

How did the article change from the 'Golden lion of Macedonia', a symbol tied with Macedonia since medieval times, to the 'proposed red lion.' Can someone explain? Can we create another article about the golden lion or something?- Phill24th (talk). 21:06, 28 May 2015 (UTC)