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usual Wikipedia protection of a profoundly evil Christian zionist organisation[edit]

Anyone familiar with the operation of Wikipedia will know of the sickening policies that active hide information that runs counter to the agenda of Wikipedia's owners.

New Horizons Youth Ministries link to the astonishing influential Christian zionist movements in the USA, and they wield massive influence in Washington. The sexual and physical abusive of children by the NHYM bears astonishing similarity to the torture programs that Obama and Bush have used across the planet. The same senior American psychologists are directly responsible for the carefully constructed programs of brainwashing, torturing and 'breaking' found in NHYM 'schools' and places like Guantanamo Bay.

Ordinary people have little to no knowledge of the unthinkable evil inflicted on American children by the NHYM and its ilk. Ordinary people have little to no knowledge on just how much influence the people behind NHYM have over the most senior US politicians. And the owners of Wikipedia are determined this ignorance will continue.

Wikipedia's 'trick' is to maintain a team of FAKE-independent editors whose jobs it is to confine 'difficult' material into an Orwellian 'memory hole'. Reveal, for instance, That Bandar 'Bush's Mother was a RAPE SLAVE, purchased by his father when the trade in rape slaves was legal in Saudi Arabia (1962 was the year SA abolished slavery- and at that astonishingly late date, every powerful Saudi male owned dozens of rape slaves- Human females who had been purchased specifically so they could be raped at will) and watch as the Saudi Arabia reputation protection squad- fully supported by Wales- deletes that fact.

NHYM deserves a massive article fully detailing the power of abusive Christian zionist organisations at the very heart of US society. Jimmy 'Israel' Wales will never permit this. Understand the REAL purpose of Wikipedia.

And think on this. Most people say "well we all know the filth that gain high editing rights on Wikipedia, and the fact these scumbags pervert access to knowledge to suit particularly evil agendas- but hasn't this always been the case in history". This may be true, but the 'trolling' that Wales exploits is meant to reach a point of perfection here, so most visitors never think about the trolls that deface the very articles they are reading. Wikipedia is supposed to become such a habit that most people stop considering the dark side of information control that Wales so carefully oversees.

Orwell tried to warn that those who control written 'history' control the minds of the people. Wikipedia is designed to be the worst nightmare of 1984 on steroids. It handles the 'problem' of overt state censorship in a modern society (which tends to backfire) by disguising the state censors as an army of faceless 'trolls' with meta-editor privileges. This comment will be deleted, for instance, as soon as Wales's official trolls spot it. And why? Because Jimmy Wales is determined that the suffering of thousands of children in programs designed by his natural allies should gain as little publicity as possible.

One can read the accounts of children tortured in NHYM facilities if one searches hard enough, but these broken Humans have so little power, their voices are pretty much lost in the wilderness, and Jimmy Wales's pals have far louder and longer lasting voices throughout the mainstream media. Wales knows that without significant, permanent coverage, the worst atrocities fade from the collective mind. Wikipedia becomes the fount of all PERMISSIBLE knowledge. The most trivial crap remains here unmolested (brainless chewing-gum for the mind of the average sheeple), but real articles on issues of great significance are deleted or edited to a trivial rump if they run counter to Jimmy Wales' agenda. 92.236.154.192 (talk) 19:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

@Eastmain:, when I google this person the only links I can find are http://deirdresugiuchi.com/tag/pastor-gordon-blossom/, http://www.heal-online.org/nhym2.htm and http://deirdresugiuchi.com/category/new-horizons-youth-ministries/. None of which give any useful information to substantiate the notability of this individual. What leads you to believe they are notable. AlanS (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@AlanS: Other references probably exist, but the organization New Horizons Youth Ministries is probably more notable. http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/newhorizons.html appears to be a reprint of an article from a newspaper called The Chronicle-Tribune, probably published in or near Marion, Indiana. That newspaper may have more comprehensive coverage of both the person and the organization. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Crosswinds http://www.crosswindsyouth.org/ is a similar Christian reeducation organization. See http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eJVzTIGm_g8J:crosswindsyouth.org/crosswinds-response/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a and http://web.archive.org/web/20130826000320/http://crosswindsyouth.org/about/who-we-are

I couldn't connect directly to the website today. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 07:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This page should not be speedy deleted because...[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because a listing citing Pastor Gordon Blossom is already started on the Kidnapped for Christ page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapped_for_Christ). The film has started a renewed interest in the founder of New Horizons Youth Ministry and is worthy of a biographical account separate from the film of Pastor Gordon Blossom. He operated 3 ministries, all of which are under investigation. His facilities have been in national news numerous times for dubious activities after Kenneth Wooden, author of national best seller "Wheeping in the Playtime of Others" investigated the Jarabacoa facility that Blossom operated. Wooden reported conditions at Blossom's facility to Congress in the 70's, resulting in investigations that led to Blossom's loss of foster license in Michigan as well as his schools immediate deportation out of Haiti. Wikileak telegrams also include conversations from the US Ambassador to Haiti Isham (http://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1974PORTA00757_b.html) commenting on the dubious nature of Gordon Blossom and settle many inquisitions on the reasons why the ministry was deported with unusual haste. Pastor Gordon Blossom remains a controversial public figure that has repeatedly been in national news and is worthy of continued coverage.Boricua38 (talk) 06:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This page should not be speedy deleted because...[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because I am in the process of transitioning the biographical information of Pastor Gordon Blossom to the page you recommended for development- New Horizons Youth Ministry. My resources include a very large archive that I have collected of non digitized micro fiche sources as well as program brochures, since many of the events occurred in the 70's and take more time to cite. Thank you for your assistance Boricua38 (talk) 07:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Boricua38, welcome to Wikipedia, it's sourced now, so it's not going to get deleted, don't worry. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:35, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:AlanS, I've just removed an AFD nomination, there is an RM ongoing below. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "Pastor"[edit]

Please see WP:HONORIFICS. RM template below adjusted accordingly, and also moved the duplicate speedy don't delete upwards in the interests of de-clutter. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 02:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon Blossom → New Horizons Youth Ministries – The organization he founded may be more notable than the person. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - use of a RM to decide whether a bio should be an org article is a little unusual. However an initial look in Google Books indicates the individual is mainly/only notable in relation to the (controversial) organization he founded, cf. Kidnapped for Christ, and biography of Julia Scheeres at this point no opinion. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:28, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Johnbod (talk) 10:12, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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