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Citation for virgin vs. recycled vinyl claims?[edit]

The article states "Since most vinyl records contain up to 30% recycled vinyl, impurities can accumulate in the record and cause even a brand-new record to have audio artifacts such as clicks and pops". But I don't see a citation. It certainly sounds plausible, and I've had many people tell me that 'virgin vinyl' is better, but I have yet to find a substantiated claim as to why. It seems all opinion based at this time. Is there a reason recycled would have more impurities than virgin (as far as I know, recycled plastics are cleaned of impurities just as virgin plastics are)?


Book-and-record-sets[edit]

Why isn't the page about book-and-record, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book-and-record_set sets included in this article?

Suggest Vinyl records to have an article of its own[edit]

I reached this page by searching "Vinyl records". And altough old 78 rpm's also are build on analogue storing of music (usually), do I mean that vinyl records require an article of its own, based on a cultural point of view. The revival of especially LP-albums clearly shows there is a call for such an article. Between the late 1950's and mid 1980's (a 25 year period) was vinyl records the fundamental way to store music. Especially the LP's were something different from CD's. Music was in that sence something one was careful with. Millions and billions of people collected LP's. And the covers were something to look at while listening, with pictures and/or lyrics etc. A cover like Led Zeppelin's dubble-LP Physical Graffiti can't be done on a dull CD cover etc. None of these issues existed during the 78 rpm era, and they break extremely easy. (Vinyl records also last for a lifetime). I think there should be one article about grammophone records, but another as well about vinyl records and a third article about the 78 rpms Boeing720 (talk) 02:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)Boeing720 (talk) 22:23, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

dbx-encoding[edit]

Regarding the discussion of dbx-encoded disks, is it really accurate to say that "disks were recorded with the dynamic range compressed", as opposed to "disks were mastered with ...? But I though I would check here before making any change. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 September 2017[edit]

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Moved to Phonograph record. There is a consensus that the article should be moved from its current title, but not for the proposed target; the alternative has garnered more support (and, specifically, less objection). It has also correctly been pointed out that it would be technically to refer to all gramaphone/phonograph records as "vinyl", since other materials have been used to make them. bd2412 T 03:26, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Gramophone recordvinyl record – More common term. They're typically referred to as vinyl records these days or simply vinyl or records. RightGot (talk) 18:23, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Support Per WP:COMMONNAME. AusLondonder (talk) 20:33, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support (2 October Edit: Phonograph record per information below) per common name and the rest (although the 'V' should be capitalized). Randy Kryn (talk) 21:33, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. They are not all made of vinyl. The present title is broader and more accurate, so also more encyclopedic. Srnec (talk) 14:31, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article covers shellac discs and other formulations than vinyl. Binksternet (talk) 16:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
    In that case why don't we go with Phonograph record, which already directs here and seems a more modern name than the old-timey term 'Gramophone'. Wikipedia uses Phonograph, a more North American term, so 'Phonograph record' would assure site-wide consistency. Looking at Google and other resources, even to this page, a 'gramophone' seems to usually be pictured in the old-time form. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:26, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support move to Vinyl record per WP:COMMONNAME, and because "gramophone record" is positively jarring in its obsolescence. (I would also support Randy_Kryn's alternative of moving to Phonograph record.) Lwarrenwiki (talk) 14:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose move to Vinyl record. Support move to Phonograph record. Although Google Trends shows that "Vinyl record" is by far the more searched for term, per Srnec, the title is inappropriate as the article covers shellac records as well. Doing a Google Trends comparison of just "gramophone record" and "phonograph record", the two have recently had approximately the same search popularity, although the further back in time you go, the more dominance "phonograph record" had. Looking at the region map below shows why: "phonograph record" is more common in American English, while "gramophone record" is more common in British English (including India and Australia). As British-English-speaking countries, India in particular, have started making up a dramatically increasing portion of internet users, "gramophone record" has started catching up. However, since both the gramophone and phonograph are American inventions, and most of the development of them was by American technology and record companies, I would still have to give the edge to "phonograph record". If the search queries are inconclusive, we can also turn to the Google Ngrams report on the three terms. The ngrams show that, although "phonograph record" and "gramophone record" were close around 1900, phonograph has been consistently the preferred term in books. The term "vinyl record" didn't start being seriously in books until about 1990. --Ahecht (TALK
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  • Neutral, because I don't much like either name. For the reasons pointed out by Ahecht, the old debate about gramophone vs. phonograph reflected the issue of preferring one form of English over another (i.e., British vs. American). And so we ended up with the bizarre result of calling the discs "gramophone records", but calling the device that plays them a "phonograph". I would prefer to go with the option that wasn't chosen back in that old debate -- call the disc a record (audio) (which currently re-directs to a disambiguation page) and call the device that plays it a record player (which currently re-directs to phonograph). NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Record (disc) works, but with an upper-case 'R' and a few redirects. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose because other materials were used, including wax, aluminum, and even gold. —Anomalocaris (talk) 16:38, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment, looks like there is a page for LP record which covers much of the same ground. Because of the article Phonograph consistency within Wikipedia would lean towards renaming this page Phonograph record with redirects, and discuss the LP record page and the overlapping of the two pages. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Phonograph record as apparently the most common form, and technically more accurate than Vinyl record. It appears that "phonograph record" has always been the most common form.[1]--Cúchullain t/c 21:06, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - from the 1890s until the 1940s, phonograph records were not made out of vinyl. Although this term has come into use by hipsters, I don't know of any knowledgeable researchers/collectors who call them "vinyls". 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 23:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
    Seems like the name that's emerging may be Phonograph record, and 'vinyl record' has been off the record-table for awhile now. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:29, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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