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Complete re-write[edit]

As I have done with other lemur pages, I have completely re-written this article to reflect all of the information I have available to me. Please feel free to make corrections and discuss any issues on this talk pages. –Visionholder (talk) 10:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Good job, it's looking great. Hope you're going to submit it to GAN. Cheers, Jack (talk) 11:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I will be submitting it for a GA review sometime shortly. I'm a little busy taking care of some Gray Mouse Lemurs in quarantine (as well as with the rest of my life) at the moment, but when I have time I will. I will also be submitting Ruffed Lemur for a FA review as well. Ultimately, my goal is to re-write every lemur page (from Lemur down) and get them to either FA or GA status. My work should pick up pace after I move closer to Duke University in early June, giving me access to an academic library and the Duke Lemur Center.
Thanks for the help with the clean-up and the compliment. –Visionholder (talk) 13:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


A question[edit]

When was the species first discovered (by Western science - I assume the local population have always known about it) and when was it first scientifically described? Should there be a section on this, or at least a mention? Very nice article, BTW. 86.134.117.1 (talk) 07:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. The species was described by science in 1777 by John Frederick Miller. This information is present in all or most species articles, but you have to know where to look. It's found under the "Binomial name" section of the Taxobox on the upper right-hand corner (with the picture and basic classification information). In smaller font, next to the scientific name, is the name of the person who first described it, as well as the year. The "Synonyms" section lists other names it has been given, usually at later dates. Once science confirms that these synonyms are the same species, the first name given is used. The problem with adding this information to the text of the article is that it would bog down the article in extra detail that is already summarized in the taxobox. Also, all species pages on Wiki summarize this information here. However, I hope this answers your question. –Visionholder (talk) 07:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gray Mouse Lemur/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

OK, so it hasn't got a ruff, but I'm broad-minded. Comments to follow soon Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Images have appropriate licenses, but two captions include the article name, contra MoS. Although I'm not sure that it's mandatory at GAN, I would also have alt_caption = for the taxobox image and alt= for the others to improve accessibility
  • Lead
  • I'd be inclined to move the largest mouse lemur so it reads something like the Gray Mouse Lemur is the largest mouse lemur, although it is smaller than the world's smallest monkey, the Pygmy Marmoset... so the size comments are all in one place
  • I have done my best. Please review. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Weighing between.. then the Pygmy Marmoset, which weighs between any way of rephrasing to avoid the repeat?
  • Its diet primarily consists of fruit, insects, flowers, and nectar. better I think as Its diet consists primarily of fruit, insects, flowers, and nectar.
  • and two young are typically born as opposed to doing what? and typically two young are born
  • The offspring... spell out numbers less than ten, can reproduce would be more accurate than reproduction starts
  • ...abundant under the right conditions. It is considered one of Madagascar's most abundant small native mammals. can these be rolled together to avoid repeating "abundant"
  • Taxonomy This is quite a short section, so I would be inclined to note the ISP comment on your talk page, and say who discovered it and where he (Miller) published the discovery (the taxobox doesn't seem to have a ref for that). Do we know what the relationships are within the genus or what this species' closest relative is?
  • Added information about closest relations and a general note about its discovery. I do not have access to the offline copy of the taxonomy authority used by WikiProject Mammals, and a search of the online references (following the link at the bottom) was fruitless. It sounds like the guy was an illustrator, but all I have to go off of is our taxonomy authority. As for the ref in the taxobox, WikiProject Primates appears to favor putting the reference on the common name at the top. Another example is Ring-tailed Lemur. In regards to the short section and being "inclined to note the ISP comment" on my talk page... I'm sorry, but I've had too little sleep over the last few days to follow. Please clarrify, either here or on my talk page. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Anatomy
  • and large, membranous ears that protrude noticeably. It has large eyes and tapetum lucidum to enhance its vision at night. perhaps and large, membranous, protruding ears? either a tapetum lucidum or make it plural (whatever the plural may be!)
  • any reason why the length ranges are linked by dashes, but the weight ranges by "and"?
  • Don't remember, honestly. Removed dashes from entire document, but please review if possible. Otherwise, fixed. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Ecology
  • For this reason, the Gray Mouse Lemur tends to prefer lower levels of the forest and the understory, where branches and vegetation are dense. Why for this reason? branches are thicker lower down. The preference for a lower level seems to be driven by the density of the vegetation, not because the branches are thinner lower down.
  • omnivorous, specializing in fruit and insects How "omnivorous" and "specialising"? and a diet of fruit and insects (and nectar) doesn't strike me as very specialised)
  • Predation I've tweaked, but no comments
  • Behavior
  • The Gray Mouse Lemur is nocturnal, sleeping in tree holes lined with ... during the day. Does this mean they build the nests during the day, or should it be The Gray Mouse Lemur is nocturnal, sleeping during the day in tree holes lined with ... .
  • All mouse lemurs are agile... paragraph starts in plural, rest is singular

I've been making some small edits as I go, so you might want to check the history to see if you're happy. More to follow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit looks wonderful! Thank you for taking the time to do that and leave this review. I am very busy today (until after midnight) and all morning tomorrow. I promise to address all of these issues tomorrow afternoon/evening. Again, I can't thank you enough! –Visionholder (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
No problem, continuing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • alt text I've amended the taxobox alt text; remember that an unsighted person won't have read the description yet, please check
  • Looks good. Thanks for the correction and tip. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Social systems Does "natal" need a link - not all readers will know this word?
  • Communication I've removed surplus "howevers", a "more" without a comparison etc. broadband frequency modulated syllables might benefit from some wikilinking.
  • Honestly, you're the bird person. I've tried to find an appropriate page to link to, but I'm worried I'll miss a more appropriate page than modulation. I'm guessing since bird song deals with this, someone's created a page that I'm missing. If not, should I red-link it? –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Breeding and reproduction
  • Does dominance hierarchies need a link? also plasma testosterone
  • Dominance hierarchies and testosterone linked. The "plasma" part is a quote from the text. I don't know what "plasma testosterone" is, honestly. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • The plasma testosterone level is the concentration of testosterone in the blood plasma, usually given as nanograms per milliliter. -- Torben Schink (talk) 10:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  • carried in the mother's mouth literally?
  • Yes, literally. Small, nocturnal, prosimian primates do this (like dogs and cats), and it is believed that the ancestral primate did it, too. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Conservation status The Gray Mouse Lemur is listed in Appendix 1 of CITES what is the significance of this listing?
  • References Groves, C. (2005-11-16). Unusual formatting, (2005) is normal even if the actual pub date is known. Those damned US dates tie me in knots anyway (: - today is 28-7-2009!
  • I'm sorry, but this is a standardized reference used by WikiProject Mammals. I agree with you, but to change it, it needs to be taken up with them since it will affect many pages. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree, this date format is distracting, do WP:MAM really use this format as standard? Jack (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Good point. I looked, and I assumed the template was the standard. It's used by WP:PRIMATE, but I couldn't see a reason why the date shouldn't be changed to just the year. I made the change, so we'll see if it gets reverted. If we need to, we'll discuss it on the template talk page or the WP:Primates page. –Visionholder (talk) 06:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

this is the full set of my edits, plus your alt text. This is a nice article, and I assume you will at least think about FAC. Once we have finished here, it would probably benefit from a third-party ce to polish any rough edges we have both missed before FAC Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC). No rush as far as I'm concerned Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all the work on this. Yes, I plan to take every lemur article I write to FA. The only difficulty will be articles like Collared Brown Lemur, where little information about the specific species is available, making it hard to distinguish the article from other brown lemurs. Anyway, something to be discussed on my talk page. When you have time, please look over the changes and let me know if more needs to be done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


Comment by Jackhynes (talk · contribs)

  • Just given the references a close examination and hopefully all are now consistent and follow WP:PRIM style. Jack (talk) 00:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Jack - OK, let's do it! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Literature Review 2008-09[edit]

As requested per FAC: Sasata (talk) 15:51, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

1) Title: The Grey Mouse Lemur Uses Season-Dependent Fat or Protein Sparing Strategies to Face Chronic Food Restriction

  • Author(s): Giroud, S; Perret, M; Stein, P, et al.
  • Source: PLOS ONE Volume: 5 Issue: 1 Article Number: e8823 Published: 2010

2) Title: Scramble or Contest Competition Over Food in Solitarily Foraging Mouse Lemurs (Microcebus spp.): New Insights From Stable Isotopes

  • Author(s): Dammhahn, M; Kappeler, PM
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY Volume: 141 Issue: 2 Pages: 181-189 Published: 2010

3) Title: Ancient repeat sequence derived from U6 snRNA in primate genomes

  • Author(s): Hasnaoui, Manel; Doucet, Aurelien J.; Meziane, Oussama, et al.
  • Source: Gene (Amsterdam) Volume: 448 Issue: 2, Sp. Iss. SI Pages: 139-144 Published: DEC 15 2009

4) Title: A Novel System of Polymorphic and Diverse NK Cell Receptors in Primates

  • Author(s): Averdam, A; Petersen, B; Rosner, C, et al.
  • Source: PLOS GENETICS Volume: 5 Issue: 10 Article Number: e1000688 Published: 2009

5) Title: HEALTH STATUS AND NESTING PATTERN IN MALE GRAY MOUSE LEMURS (MICROCEBUS MURINUS)

  • Author(s): Aujard, F; Perret, M
  • Source: REVUE D ECOLOGIE-LA TERRE ET LA VIE Volume: 64 Issue: 3 Pages: 197-205 Published: 2009

6) Title: Varying Patterns of Coexistence of Two Mouse Lemur Species (Microcebus ravelobensis and M. murinus) in a Heterogeneous Landscape

  • Author(s): Rakotondravony, Romule; Radespiel, Ute
  • Source: American Journal of Primatology Volume: 71 Issue: 11 Pages: 928-938 Published: NOV 2009

7) Title: Impaired Control of Body Cooling during Heterothermia Represents the Major Energetic Constraint in an Aging Non-Human Primate Exposed to Cold

  • Author(s): Terrien, J; Zahariev, A; Blanc, S, et al.
  • Source: PLOS ONE Volume: 4 Issue: 10 Article Number: e7587 Published: 2009

8) Title: Dietary palmitate and linoleate oxidations, oxidative stress, and DNA damage differ according to season in mouse lemurs exposed to a chronic food deprivation

  • Author(s): Giroud, S; Perret, M; Gilbert, C, et al.
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSIOLOGY-REGULATORY INTEGRATIVE AND COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY Volume: 297 Issue: 4 Pages: R950-R959 Published: 2009

9) Title: Hibernation in Malagasy mouse lemurs as a strategy to counter environmental challenge

  • Author(s): Kobbe, S; Dausmann, KH
  • Source: NATURWISSENSCHAFTEN Volume: 96 Issue: 10 Pages: 1221-1227 Published: 2009

10) Title: Neoplasia in prosimians: case series from a captive prosimian population and literature review.

  • Author(s): Remick, A. K.; Wettere, A. J. van; Williams, C. V.
  • Source: Veterinary Pathology Volume: 46 Issue: 4 Pages: 746-772 Published: 2009

11) Title: What Mediates Personality Variation in Grey Mouse Lemurs (Microcebus murinus)?

  • Author(s): Dammhahn, M
  • Source: FOLIA PRIMATOLOGICA Volume: 80 Issue: 2 Pages: 115-115 Published: 2009

12) Title: Experiments on Inter-Specific Food Competition in Two Coexisting Mouse Lemur Species in North-Western Madagascar

  • Author(s): Thoren, S; Linnenbrink, M; Radespiel, U
  • Source: FOLIA PRIMATOLOGICA Volume: 80 Issue: 2 Pages: 145-145 Published: 2009

13) Title: Daily Rhythms of Core Temperature and Locomotor Activity Indicate Different Adaptive Strategies to Cold Exposure in Adult and Aged Mouse Lemurs Acclimated to a Summer-Like Photoperiod

  • Author(s): Terrien, J; Zizzari, P; Epelbaum, J, et al.
  • Source: CHRONOBIOLOGY INTERNATIONAL Volume: 26 Issue: 5 Pages: 838-853 Published: 2009

14) Title: Spatial memory in the grey mouse lemur (Microcebus murinus)

  • Author(s): Luehrs, Mia-Lana; Dammhahn, Melanie; Kappeler, Peter M., et al.
  • Source: Animal Cognition Volume: 12 Issue: 4 Pages: 599-609 Published: JUL 2009

Article Number: 10.1007/s10071-009-0219-y

15) Title: Neoplasia in Prosimians: Case Series from a Captive Prosimian Population and Literature Review

  • Author(s): Remick, AK; Van Wettere, AJ; Williams, CV
  • Source: VETERINARY PATHOLOGY Volume: 46 Issue: 4 Pages: 746-772 Published: 2009

16) Title: Evolution of sexual size monomorphism: the influence of passive mate guarding

  • Author(s): Dunham, AE; Rudolf, VHW
  • Source: JOURNAL OF EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY Volume: 22 Issue: 7 Pages: 1376-1386 Published: 2009

17) Title: Multimodal Signaling in Wild Lemur catta: Economic Design and Territorial Function of Urine Marking

  • Author(s): Palagi, E; Norscia, I
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY Volume: 139 Issue: 2 Pages: 182-192 Published: 2009

18) Title: Assessing Reproductive Profiles in Female Brown Mouse Lemurs (Microcebus rufus) From Ranomafana National Park, Southeast Madagascar, Using Fecal Hormone Analysis

  • Author(s): Blanco, MB; Meyer, JS
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY Volume: 71 Issue: 6 Pages: 439-446 Published: 2009

19) Title: Optional strategies for reduced metabolism in gray mouse lemurs

  • Author(s): Schmid, J; Ganzhorn, JU
  • Source: NATURWISSENSCHAFTEN Volume: 96 Issue: 6 Pages: 737-741 Published: 2009

20) Title: Sociality, ecology, and relative brain size in lemurs

  • Author(s): MacLean, EL; Barrickman, NL; Johnson, EM, et al.
  • Source: JOURNAL OF HUMAN EVOLUTION Volume: 56 Issue: 5 Pages: 471-478 Published: 2009

21) Title: Torpor and energetic consequences in free-ranging grey mouse lemurs (Microcebus murinus): a comparison of dry and wet forests

  • Author(s): Schmid, J; Speakman, JR
  • Source: NATURWISSENSCHAFTEN Volume: 96 Issue: 5 Pages: 609-620 Published: 2009

22) Title: Females go where the food is: does the socio-ecological model explain variation in social organisation of solitary foragers?

  • Author(s): Dammhahn, M; Kappeler, PM
  • Source: BEHAVIORAL ECOLOGY AND SOCIOBIOLOGY Volume: 63 Issue: 6 Pages: 939-952 Published: 2009

23) Title: Parallel Germline Infiltration of a Lentivirus in Two Malagasy Lemurs

  • Author(s): Gilbert, Clement; Maxfield, David G.; Goodman, Steven M., et al.
  • Source: PLoS Genetics Volume: 5 Issue: 3 Pages: Article No.: e1000425 Published: MAR 2009

24) Title: Gut hormones in relation to body mass and torpor pattern changes during food restriction and re-feeding in the gray mouse lemur

  • Author(s): Giroud, S; Perret, M; Le Maho, Y, et al.
  • Source: JOURNAL OF COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY B-BIOCHEMICAL SYSTEMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL PHYSIOLOGY Volume: 179 Issue: 1 Pages: 99-111 Published: 2009

25) Title: Hybridization between mouse lemurs in an ecological transition zone in southern Madagascar

  • Author(s): Gligor, M; Ganzhorn, JU; Rakotondravony, D, et al.
  • Source: MOLECULAR ECOLOGY Volume: 18 Issue: 3 Pages: 520-533 Published: 2009

26) Title: European studbook. Grey mouse lemur (Microcebus murinus).

  • Author(s): Pes, Tomas; Pes, Tomas
  • Source: European studbook. Grey mouse lemur (Microcebus murinus). Pages: 1-82 Published: 2008

27) Title: Comparative Feeding Ecology of Sympatric Microcebus berthae and M-murinus

  • Author(s): Dammhahn, M; Kappeler, P
  • Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY Volume: 29 Issue: 6 Pages: 1567-1589 Published: 2008

28) Title: Forelimb proportions and kinematics: how are small primates different from other small mammals?

  • Author(s): Schmidt, M
  • Source: JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY Volume: 211 Issue: 24 Pages: 3775-3789 Published: 2008

29) Title: Battle of the sexes: cost asymmetry explains female dominance in lemurs

  • Author(s): Dunham, AE
  • Source: ANIMAL BEHAVIOUR Volume: 76 Pages: 1435-1439 Published: 2008

30) Title: Manual lateralization in early primates: A comparison of two mouse lemur species

  • Author(s): Leliveld, LMC; Scheumann, M; Zimmermann, E
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY Volume: 137 Issue: 2 Pages: 156-163 Published: 2008

31) Title: Wild mouse lemurs revisit artificial feeding platforms: Implications for field experiments on sensory and cognitive abilities in small primates

  • Author(s): Joly, M; Scheumann, M; Zimmermann, E
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY Volume: 70 Issue: 9 Pages: 892-896 Published: 2008

32) Title: Cues for acoustic detection of prey: insect rustling sounds and the influence of walking substrate

  • Author(s): Goerlitz, HR; Greif, S; Siemers, BM
  • Source: JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY Volume: 211 Issue: 17 Pages: 2799-2806 Published: 2008

33) Title: Small-scale coexistence of two mouse lemur species (Microcebus berthae and M-murinus) within a homogeneous competitive environment

  • Author(s): Dammhahn, M; Kappeler, PM
  • Source: OECOLOGIA Volume: 157 Issue: 3 Pages: 473-483 Published: 2008

34) Title: Effects of age on thermoregulatory responses during cold exposure in a nonhuman primate, Microcebus murinus

  • Author(s): Terrien, J; Zizzari, P; Bluet-Pajot, MT, et al.
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSIOLOGY-REGULATORY INTEGRATIVE AND COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY Volume: 295 Issue: 2 Pages: R696-R703 Published: 2008

35) Title: The costs of risky male behaviour: sex differences in seasonal survival in a small sexually monomorphic primate

  • Author(s): Kraus, C; Eberle, M; Kappeler, PM
  • Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY B-BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES Volume: 275 Issue: 1643 Pages: 1635-1644 Published: 2008

36) Title: Chronic food shortage and seasonal modulations of daily torpor and locomotor activity in the grey mouse lemur (Microcebus murinus)

  • Author(s): Giroud, S; Blanc, S; Aujard, F, et al.
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSIOLOGY-REGULATORY INTEGRATIVE AND COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY Volume: 294 Issue: 6 Pages: R1958-R1967 Published: 2008

37) Title: Olfactory predator recognition in predator-naive gray mouse lemurs (Microcebus murinus).

  • Author(s): Suendermann, Dina; Scheumann, Marina; Zimmermann, Elke
  • Source: Journal of Comparative Psychology Volume: 122 Issue: 2 Pages: 146-155 Published: May 2008

38) Title: Acoustic divergence in the communication of cryptic species of nocturnal primates (Microcebus ssp.)

  • Author(s): Braune, P; Schmidt, S; Zimmermann, E
  • Source: BMC BIOLOGY Volume: 6 Article Number: 19 Published: 2008

39) Title: Olfactory predator recognition in predator-naive gray mouse lemurs (Microcebus murinus)

  • Author(s): Sundermann, D; Scheumann, M; Zimmermann, E
  • Source: JOURNAL OF COMPARATIVE PSYCHOLOGY Volume: 122 Issue: 2 Pages: 146-155 Published: 2008

40) Title: Mutualism, reciprocity, or kin selection? Cooperative rescue of a conspecific from a boa in a nocturnal solitary forager the gray mouse lemur

  • Author(s): Eberle, M; Kappeler, PM
  • Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY Volume: 70 Issue: 4 Pages: 410-414 Published: 2008

41) Title: The sensory basis of prey detection in captive-born grey mouse lemurs, Microcebus murinus

  • Author(s): Piep, M; Radespiel, U; Zimmermann, E, et al.
  • Source: ANIMAL BEHAVIOUR Volume: 75 Pages: 871-878 Published: 2008

42) Title: Habitat utilization of three sympatric cheirogaleid lemur species in a littoral rain forest of southeastern Madagascar

  • Author(s): Lahann, P
  • Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY Volume: 29 Issue: 1 Pages: 117-134 Published: 2008

43) Title: Sex-specific asymmetries in communication sound perception are not related to hand preference in an early primate

  • Author(s): Scheumann, M; Zimmermann, E
  • Source: BMC BIOLOGY Volume: 6 Article Number: 3 Published: 2008

44) Title: Sex-specific symmetries in communication sound perception are not related to hand preference in an early primate.

  • Author(s): Scheumann, Marina; Zimmermann, Elke
  • Source: BMC Biology Volume: 6 Issue: 3 Pages: 1-10 Published: 16 January 2008

45) Title: Sperm competition and optimal timing of matings in Microcebus murinus

  • Author(s): Eberle, M; Perret, M; Kappeler, PM
  • Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY Volume: 28 Issue: 6 Pages: 1267-1278 Published: 2007
I have numbered the articles above for easier referencing in this reply. In short, if you could help obtain a copy of articles #5, #11, and #12 (or just their abstracts), it would help me a lot. You may email me to send content if you'd prefer. On an unrelated note, could someone please send me article #20 for my own independent research? I will need the full article. It would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I will start incorporating the information provided above into the article starting tomorrow. – VisionHolder « talk » 21:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, email sent. Sasata (talk) 21:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Synonyms[edit]

I disagree that the genera should be listed. These were each considered different species. And, while it is interesting to note the changes in where these species were placed, there is no certain correlation between this species' placement and the placement of the synonyms when they were described. And my fallback: MSW3 lists them without genera. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

MSW 3 does not (presumably for space reasons), but most works that list synonyms do give the original combination. Species names without an accompanying genus just don't make particularly much sense. In addition, in this case it is very likely that these names were not each considered different species; rather, 18th- and 19th-century taxonomists renamed and again renamed it, either because they were unaware of the other names or because they felt like it. Ucucha 19:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
"unaware of the other names " sounds to me like they didn't know someone had already described the species, and so they thought they had a new species. I mean to include this notion in my notion above of "different species". As such, we don't have a way of knowing if the genus the author placed their species in was the same genus that this species was in at the time. Even the intentional renames may have been to move the species out of the genus it was in at the time into a new genus. It still says nothing about the genus this species was in at the time. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure of the relevance of the points we're arguing now; however, (1) the genus names add information; and (2) synonymies outside MSW 3 usually do list the genus names for synonymies. So do lots of our featured articles. Ucucha 23:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Looks pretty accurate to everyone else--50.122.9.57 (talk) 15:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Madagascar colubrid=[edit]

The species name of the colubrid snake that preys on mouse lemurs was misspelled it is Ithycyphus miniatus [1][2]. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:21, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. – Maky « talk » 02:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Conservation status of M murinus[edit]

Hi, I'd like to clarify the conservation status. The article currently states that it was removed from CITES appendix I as of 2009. However, I still find it listed on the CITES dbase http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html

The database states it was added to appendix 1 in 1975 (consistent with Wikipedia) but there is no evidence that it was ever removed. The database is hard to search, I searched by order (primates). It did not come up when I searched by species, although I might have done it wrong.


See also http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/13323/0 which also states that it is on appendix I.

I did not edit the article itself pending input from others with greater knowledge of conservation issues.

The question is of significance since M murinus is of potential interest as a model organism for biomedical research: http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/nov2011/features/emerging_model_organisms.html

Thank you very much for catching this. This was one of the first articles I ever wrote, and I'm not sure how I slipped up on this. All lemurs are protected under CITES, so I'm not sure why I would have written this. But then again, I was new to the field at the time, and probably didn't know how to read the indices. I will fix it tonight. – Maky « talk » 23:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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