Talk:Great Leap Forward

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Can we find better sources for those quotations?[edit]

I have seen lots of quotations of words by Mao and other CPC leaders. However, they are almost all quoted from the book by Dikötter. Though unable to get that book myself, I guess it probably has a bibliography, in which we can find where these quotes come from. If someone has the book, please help adding the references used by Dikötter. That would be more reliable sources, than a historian who seems to especially hate the CPC.

Don't get me wrong. Dikötter's opinions are perfectly acceptable for me. I just think he might not be the best source for quotations of words. Ahyangyi (talk) 07:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Article neutrality disputed/Article split suggestion[edit]

This article is 99% about the great Chinese famine but the title clearly says something else. RomanK79 (talk) 06:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Well I disagree with your estimate that 99% of the article is about the famine, but rough coverage estimates are neither here nor there. Give Great Chinese Famine a read and see how you would redistribute the two articles' content. Keep in mind that it is widely accepted that the Great Leap Forward caused the famine, and the famine (the largest in recorded history) is very notable, so the GLF article should contain lots of coverage of the famine and vice versa.--Wikimedes (talk) 04:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


This article has gone downhill since I last looked a few years ago. The authors propagating the famine mythology are still overlooking the evidence from residents of China at the time. Where are the eye witness reports of millions of deaths from famine during this period? Are there first hand reports of any deaths from famine at the time of the Great Leap Forward? What happened to the tens of millions of bodies? etc. The Great Leap Forward was a transformational movement that introduced people in China to the role of direct action in improving their lives and had many positive outcomes. To ridicule the drive to make steel and denigrate the leaders of the communist party for their efforts to change life for the better for the majority of Chinese does not offer a balanced view of this period in Chinese history. There must be one person in China who has or had a positive thought about this period. Where are these reports/views? It is time this article was completely revised to give it a more factual basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.111.122.202 (talk) 17:52, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

This article has gone further downhill. Almost every sentence is either factually incorrect or misleading Who is authoring this nonsense?

An oral history based on interview of 200+ surviving farmers of the Great Chinese Famine has been published in Chinese: zh:尋找大饑荒倖存者. --Happyseeu (talk) 07:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


Views of Great Leap Forward's supporters[edit]

I added a critic supporting the campaign at the introduction. Even for a event like this there would be an aftermath justification, which we should include in the article. Does anyone have any source?Lowerlowerhk (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


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Literal and ironic use in English[edit]

It is probably worth pointing out, for the benefit of younger readers, that the phrase "great leap forward", seems to have no historic use in English - it originated from chinese translations of their official propaganda in the era around 1960. Some of the modern usage derives directly from that, sometimes in the literal sense of a "great leap forward", and sometimes in an ironic sense of a forward move that is actually in some ways actually not an improvement, like, for example, "New Coke", which was a failure, or Windows Vista or Windows 8.0, which had "new, improved" features which were considered to be so unpopular that they were reversed in the next edition. I will try to find an academic source for this.Lathamibird (talk) 14:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Merge with Great Chinese Famine[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to not merge. MartinZ02 (talk) 17:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

It seems to me that this subject is essentially entirely overlapping with Great Chinese Famine, and so the two articles should be merged. This should also help improve article quality. ··gracefool💬 22:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

EVen though i support your views about this article overlapping with Great Chinese Famine, this article is a separate event all together for people who study chinese history. so i guess we could leave this as a single piece of document.122.163.109.65 (talk) 07:32, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Regardless, until Great Chinese Famine covers something this article doesn't - something better not included in this article - it should be merged. At the moment Great Chinese Famine is nothing but a briefer version of this. ··gracefool 💬 04:41, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Strongly oppose Although I am grateful to Gracefool for pointing out the overlap, the two topics are different and both are important, as indicated by the number of books devoted to the famine. The Great Famine article is differently structured, and it would take some time and energy to merge Great Famine into GLF. This energy would be better spent in developing the article rather than merging it.

In fact, the Famine section in the GLF article should be boiled down, since there is a Main Article link to the Great Famine article.ch (talk) 06:36, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
MartinZ02 I don't know how you think this discussion was finished when I didn't have a chance to respond... but whatever. ··gracefool 💬 08:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Confusing sentence[edit]

The years of the Great Leap Forward actually saw economic regression, with 1958 through 1962 being the only period between 1953 and 1985 in which China's economy shrank

This does not seem to make sense. Should "shrank" be "grow"? - 151.237.238.126 10:11, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

No. "Regression" means go backwards, i.e. shrink. ··gracefool💬 23:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Verify source of "China's Birth and Death Rate" graph under the "Consequences" section[edit]

I noticed that the source cited by the "China's Birth and Death Rate" graph under the "Consequences" section does not actually have any data between 1950 and 1978 on birth/death rates in China. The closest table I could find in the provided citation (National Bureau of Statistics of China: China Statistical yearbook 2014, chapter 2 Population) was in Chapter 2-2: "Birth Rate, Death Rate, and Natural Growth Rate of Population", but the earliest data entry is 1978. Though I cannot confirm or refute the factual accuracy of the graph, I do certainly believe that this graph is not properly cited, and may contain false or potentially harmful information. Heinzeric (talk) 09:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

It was available before. Probably Chinese government censored the yearbook and erased the data. See these articles which are citing the yearbook. p.615, [1], p.69, and p.12 ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:12, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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