Talk:Greek royal family
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Can somebody tell me what is the official surname of the Greek royal family, please ? I suppose they have a special British passport which indicates something like "HM Constantine of Greece", but I think the royal family got back his Greek rights and nationality, so how are they officially called in their own country ? I guess some Greeks or Hellenist or specialist of the Greek monarchy can answer this question. Thank you. --Cyril-83 10:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- I believe there is no official family name, and genealogical research in Denmark has shown that the Danish royals have no family name either. The former King travels in Greece with an Italian passport.
- Glücksburg was one of the territorial holdings of the Kings of Denmark at the time George I ascended to the throne of Greece, and it was the last one in their official title. A couple of years later Glücksburg was lost to Prussia and now it's part of Germany. As a family name, it was attributed to the Greek royal family as a pejorative by anti-monarchists in the mid 1960s.
- Sv1xv (talk) 03:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Glücksburg is still commonly used by left-wing (at least) writers. I think I first came across the term in a novel by Vasilis Kolovos, who has published several books this century, most recently this year (2012). In Greece, Constantine is often referred to as 'Ο Τεος' (the former) which is equally perjorative. Bougatsa42 (talk) 01:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
This article creates the impression that the former Greek royal family still exists in some formal sense. I doubt this. In 1974 2/3 of the Greek population voted for abolishment of the monarchy, and it has been a republic ever since. As far as I know the former titles of nobility no longer exist in Greece in any form. But reading this article one would get the impression that Greece is still a monarchy. The 1974 plebiscite is hidden in a section, but even there one gets the impression that it was a merely pro forma thing and Greeks in general are still fans of their former royalty.
I note that none of the royalty fancruft is present in the Greek version of the article (whose title translates as "Greek Royal Family (1863-1974)"). For me this is a huge red flag that there may be some royalist fringe POV pushing going on here.
One obvious example is that the king was in exile during the military regime 1967-1974 and the throne abolished in 1974, but the article presents him (in an image caption) as reigning until 1974 and in exile from then on. Hans Adler 09:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- PS: I just became aware that the article was tagged for this problem already in August 2009, and the tag removed less than a month ago even though the problem was never addressed.  Hans Adler 09:27, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The Greek royal family still exists, it is not extinguished. But since the 1974 referendum it is not a reigning royal family. It exists in a formal sense for the other, reigning European royal families who are heads of state, and it is acknowledged as such in their references. However, it has no formal life in Greece itself. Politis (talk) 09:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- Then the article needs to make that clear. The title creates the impression that the "Greek Royal Family" has something to do with Greece. If that is not the case, it must be said clearly. A superficial reader of this article will get the impression that Greece is still a monarchy. Wikipedia articles can describe the world views of the fringes of society, but they can't present them in an in-universe style as this article does. Hans Adler 10:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
You might be right about the title being misleading, though personally I don't see it, probably because I am fully aware of the historical context and I read it as a historic reference to a once reigning royal family. I cannot think of an alternative title. Politis (talk) 16:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think the title is OK, except that the capitalisation seems to be non-standard. But we must be careful to make it clear in the article that the associations evoked by the title are not quite correct, as nowadays the family is neither royal nor Greek. For example, the claim that the members of the family hold certain titles would normally be understood to mean that they do so according to Greek law. If it is not Greek law but Italian law, British law or just as a courtesy, then that should be stated clearly.
- But the recent edits were a good start towards fixing this problem. I apologise for just criticising and not being much help. I feel a bit handicapped editing this article because I can't find any sources about the status of the family since Greece became a republic.
- An unrelated issue is that this article unnecessarily lists a lot of living people, many of whom appear to be not notable at all. I simply cannot believe that we have an article on a 6-year old child who is not known for having done anything or holding any special position etc. This BLP article is, and will no doubt remain over the next few years, unsourced. (The most we could hope for would be a Gotha entry or a short mention in connection with the parents, but certainly not the kind of in-depth reporting that is required to establish notability.) This child should not be mentioned here either, and much less the 2-year old child. This kind of information is not encyclopedic and it is potentially harmful to the children. I will try to address this. Hans Adler 17:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
My understanding is that the Greek constitution does not recognise any title of nobility. The titles of King and Prince are not noble title, they are Royal titles which are entirely different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- According to the experts and the practice. The Greek Royal Family is both Royal and Greek. The former King still lives, and uses his title. I think you are confusing formal and official, although in a sense they are both formally and officially Greek and Royal. True the His Majesty's citizenship is in limbo, but is that not addressed here? You are the one putting forth the fringe opinion. Tinynanorobots (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
The title give the impression that the Glucksberg family is still the royal family of Greece. The Greek edition is titled Ελληνική Βασιλική Οικογένεια (1863-1974), i.e Greek Royal Family (1863-1974). Is there any reason that will appeal to the discerning for not following suit? Bougatsa42 (talk) 07:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- Many people listed here as members of the Greek Royal Family were born after 1974, some several decades after. If the title is to be changed, the scope should follow, and that would probably require an RfC. Surtsicna (talk) 11:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)