Talk:Gun politics in the United Kingdom

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Knife crime[edit]

Do you think this article should note, while gun crime is low, crimes is high? 1,000 knife crime victims in London each month, shocking new figures show from www.standard.co.uk/news, Justin Davenport, Crime Editor, Published: 01 July 2013. [1] Not having guns does not lower crime. Telecine Guy 22:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Compared to what? According to the Bureau of Justice statistics, of 14,610 homicides in the US in 2011, 17.2% were a "knife or blunt object" - i.e. around 2,513 - 0.79 per 100,00 of population. In comparison, in England & Wales in 2011/12, there were 209 with a "sharp instrument" and 51 with a "blunt instrument" - i.e. a total of 260 - 0.46 per 100,000 of population. In other words, the US rate is 72% higher than the E%W rate. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Firearms offences?[edit]

would I be correct in thinking that an increase in "gun crime" over a period when there is a "clampdown" does not mean the "clampdown" has been unsuccessful but the number of offences of possession have increased, but not the number of actual shootings?--Streona (talk) 16:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)




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American style lobbying[edit]

The stats have been updated. The role of UK shooting organisations does not involve active political opposition. Gun politics is the wrong name for this article. Gun policy, gun laws or gun control. But I can see all every article about a country say 'Gun Politics'. This is done to match the US lobbying technique to "teach the controversy". Change the name of every other country's gun control article, and leave the US to their own machinations. 120.136.34.176 (talk) 07:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Spurious "Crime Prevention Research Center" citation[edit]

An anon IP has added the text:

However, it should be noted that overall homicide rates increased after the gun ban legislation and overall homicide rates are higher now than before the gun ban legislation was passed. [2]

This is highly misleading, given that number and rates had been steadily increasing since 1961. The graph on the cited page does show a pronounced spike for "2003" and similarly high rates either side. Not mentioned anywhere on the page, though, is that "2003" on the graph correlates to the year 2002/03 in Home Office figures, which includes 172 aggregated victims of Harold Shipman, without which teh rate would have been much lower. Nick Cooper (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)