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2nd photo[edit]

I believe I can further annotate the 2nd photo in the article (ie identify the other people in the photo) However, I am not sure whether this is germane to Guy Simmonds specifically

Also, not sure how to edit the caption (I've edited other stuff, just don't see how to make this particular edit

Actually the photo would tie in to a number of other articles ... can a photo be shared somehow? Feldercarb (talk) 03:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


Anybody know what a BGS does? Career - we are missing entire prewar career, and everything before command of II corps Feldercarb (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an expert but I understand that a BGS (brigadier general staff) is normally the senior staff officer in a corps HQ in much the same way as a GSO1 (who is normally a colonel) is the senior staff officer in a division HQ. The chief of staff in an army HQ is normally a major-general. Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 14:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


I moved the following discussion from the article. The claim isn't attibuted. If you can find a citation it can be moved back Simonds was also responsible for giving the orders that resulted in the massacre of the Black watch regiment in Operation Spring, and after the war he avoided taking responsibility for this and shifted the blame on one of his majors.[citation needed]

The last remark is rather churlish and detracts from the sterling reputation Gen Simonds had within Commonwealth forces. It is only reasonable to suggest that the Battle of Verrieres Ridge is a very contentious action. Some argue that Simonds sacrificed soldiers needlessly, but the reality was that he was under orders to get the job done with his two Canadian and two British divisions to support the associated attack being made by American forces to remove German resistance, break out and move forward. At the tactical level, many things went wrong, particularly with the Canadian Black Watch which, sadly, suffered horrendous losses. One should not lose sight, however, that much of this was due to the 'fog of war' as anything else. Agreed, as the Corps Commander, Gen Simonds was responsible, but is it not easy to blame the man almost 70 years later, when one was not present at the time and not working under the same conditions? Feldercarb (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

The attacks on Simonds re: the Black Watch have been perpetuated mainly by two unsubstantiated sources - The Valour and the Horror and a more recent history done for the History Channel, largely research by, of all things, the Black Watch itself. Both cast slurs on Simonds. C.P. Stacey addresses some controversial aspects of the reporting of Operation Spring in his autobiogaphy, A Date with History, but does not provide much evidence of the kind that the CBC or the Black Watch historian would like to believe exists vis a vis Simond's culpability for the "massacre" atop the ridge.139.48.25.60 (talk) 22:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

A Note on Relevance[edit]

I am hoping on some leeway with the expansion of this article. As the "best of Canadian generals" I would hope to give Simonds a fairly substantial article. If it is longer that say Andy McNaughten's, then I trust you will be motivated to expand that article not shrink this one.

With the family background I had hoped to show several things: the "interconnectedness" of British establishment, and the sacrifices of the Simonds family (2 siblings dead either in the run up to the war or as a civilian casuality). In documenting the various moves and residences, I was hoping to show what a military family has to put up with.

I've tried to list Simonds numerous appointments in 1939-1943 because I think it illustates the tremondous expansion of the army in a very personal way; also I think you can readily imagine the stress which was placed on an indivdual.

I've been "name dropping" a bit, but I hoped to use this to show the small size the the prewar army.

If there are points you feel need references please bear in mind several things: -I don't feel every fact or sentence needs its own reference; the reference given can easily apply to a paragraph -I'd prefer that if you question a fact, put the "citation needed" mark in, and let it sit for a bit before deleting please

There are some points where my sources disagree. For now I've chosen the one I feel is most reliable, but I hope to document these points soon. Feldercarb (talk) 06:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Education[edit]

I believe it should be put in that Simonds sat the entrance exams for RMC in 1921 and ranked second in the country. I will cite these to J/L. Granatstein's "The Generals: The Canadian Army's Senior Commanders in the Second World War" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.61.35 (talk) 02:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

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