Talk:Gwen Hotchkiss

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Hotchkiss?[edit]

Gwen and Ethan Winthrop are officially divorced now. Shouldn't her page be switched back to 'Gwen Hotchkiss' instead of staying as 'Gwen Winthrop'? I doubt she's using Ethan's last name for official papers anymore. --Miss Burkle 05:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Anything is possible. Ivy kept Crane for years, and Rebecca still has it. Same as Eve -- as best I can tell, she's still using Russell. Until the show states that she's using Hotchkiss, it's probably easiest to keep it at Winthrop. D'Amico 07:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Bio[edit]

Where do some people get their information --from their head? I'm sick of edits by memory that are not backed up by reliable third party sources. If you're going to label edits as false and bias, learn to cite your sources. You may be the one that is vandalizing the article. 68.62.29.162 08:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The information has been editted with airdates for each edit. There were some incorrect airdates as well as citations used for fan sites with a known bias. Fan sites in and of themselves are not verifiable as they often reflect the leanings of the author of the site rather than the original intent of the network. The best source is the show itself, so providing airdates allows individuals who still have those episodes to be able to pull them up using that information. D'Amico 09:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Aren't you from Canada? Canadian air dates are different. Dustin has been providing objective summaries for years. Certain fan site are reliable given the credit of the person who's writing the summaries. These are not interpretations as you so want them to be. You can pull up episodes if you'd like, from the United States that is. Follow the link, and use the date to pull up episode. Now, as for you. Where exactly do you get your information? Do you have archived summaries or episode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.29.162 (talk) 10:18, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Canadian airdates are the same as American airdates because Canada gets NBC. Ignoring that I have the original episodes, the information and the airdates can also be provided via the NBC recaps and officially sanctioned sites such as soapcentral.com (although generally the recaps are written by volunteers), TV Guide, etc. Much of the information can also be verified even as a backup on Dustin's site (because his recaps match certain information, such as when the custody battle actually took place, and why Theresa lost her son -- although he admits that his recap is missing the key scenes from that episode), and there are also transcripts of the show (which are taken using ATI Capture Cards from the actual closed-captioning) that can be found online that can verify numerous comments and discussions had between characters which can further clarify details. D'Amico 10:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually no, Canadian air dates are one day ahead. Do you have a link to the transcript? Please link to any or all of your so called sources. Provide a link that access your summaries from NBC or transcripts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.29.162 (talk) 10:36, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
NBC doesn't air anything different in different countries. Canadians get numerous channels, and while some Canadians may see PSSN a day ahead on Global, not all. The references listed can even be verified at Dustin's site, except for the recaps he is missing. I cannot provide you with episode copies as it is a violation of international copyright law, but in addition to the sites I already listed, many transcripts are available online. Entering a show name and the word transcripts into any search engine should help you. Since the transcripts themselves are not the legal material of the sites that host them, I'm not going to provide a direct link, but a search box will pull them up easily enough. I editted the information listed because it cannot be supported by official sources or even the majority of sources. When only one place lists information and it directly contradicts information in most other places as well as all official information, it cannot be considered valid by Wikipedia standards. D'Amico 10:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone can lie and put on an air date. Then I am sorry but I have to request this for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.29.162 (talk) 11:12, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. The articles can be easily corrected and maintained due to Wikipedia standards with references. Airdates are the only valid reference that will ever exist for information that is based solely off of a television show. I agree that all three of the pages could use some major referencing, but it would be extremely difficult to get accurate references this late in the game. D'Amico 11:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Last Name?[edit]

Gwen's last name is "Winthrop" it is her common name. She has been known as Gwen Winthrop for the past 5 years, why change it now? The show never stated Gwen goes by the name Hotchkiss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBanks (talkcontribs) 19:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

They are always calling her Hotchkiss on screen now, not Winthrop. -- Dougie WII (talk) 15:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


I was bold and moved it back to Gwen Hotchkiss. If necessary I can post as many recent clips showing that everyone calls Gwen "Hotchkiss" now on screen, not "Winthrop". I don't think anyone can produce any evidence people have called her by the "Winthrop" name lately. -- Dougie WII (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Well as you can see, Ethan and Gwen are still legally married, thus her last name is "Winthrop" after all!

Gwendolen?[edit]

Wouldn't Gwendolyn be a better spelling as it's the more acceptable spelling of Gwendolyn? If no transcript exists, odds are that her name would be spelled in the conventional manner. D'Amico (talk) 11:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I looked Gwendolyn up at Behind the Name, and it says that it's a "variant of Gwendolen", which is why I used that spelling. The SSA's website does show that Gwendolyn is far more common a spelling than Gwendolen, though, so I suppose that Gwendolyn is probably the more likely spelling than Gwendolen is. — Spanish lullaby (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The most common spelling should be used unless onscreen text, onscreen credits, or an official transcript/script shows a different one. -- Dougie WII (talk) 11:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Surname[edit]

I know that Ethan and Gwen's marriage was revealed to be invalid due to Gwen's drunken Vegas nups, but the invalidity of her marriage to Ethan doesn't affect the status of her surname, does it? Upon her "marriage" to Ethan, she legally changed her surname to Winthrop, and Winthrop it would remain until she petitioned the court to change it back to Hotchkiss, no? — Spanish lullaby (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)