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Question[edit]

"Traditional hāngi food is pork, mutton or lamb, and chicken" - anyone got any information on what food was in a hangi before pakeha got to NZ? AstroDave (talk) 15:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC) See Wairau Bar for an extensive list of authentic moahunter cuisine from the archaic period-roughly 1280 to say 1450.During the much later Musket war period (1805-1840)human flesh was cooked and eaten .Missionaries observed this on several occaisions in the 1830's while trying to prevent warfare between iwi."Officialy" the last time cannabalism was practiced was in Te Awamutu ,Waikato in 1840 though it is on the cards that it still went on -perhaps in Taranki or in isolated areas like Tuhoe country until 1870-80.Eating human flesh is associated with the Pa building Classic Maori period after about 1500-mainly in the North Island.It was not a daily event but during the frequent wars of this period it was SOP to eat the defeated chiefs -starting with their eyes then brains and internal organs like heart and liver.According to some sources this was done while the victim was still alive but they wouldnt have lived long!The feasting went on for about 5 days until the stink of the rotting corpses drove the victors away-again according to missionary accounts.Claudia Jan 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.32.140 (talk) 00:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio removed[edit]

I have removed the entry by anon user at 222.152.185.218 because it is a verbatim lift from either [1] or [2]. This user has made some very odd contributions recently. Moriori 22:12, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Lifting the hangi "fact or fiction"[edit]

Lifting the Hangi

The story goes that if no steam comes out when the hangi is first uncovered, then put the dirt back and "go buy some kai bro" ("kai" meaning food) Otherwise, it is very hard to overcook a hangi, and careful removal of the soil and unwrapping of the food is the last step before the huge feast.


i have never heard this story, i think it would be amiss of me, some how making it legitimate if it was left here ? in the rare event that a hangi comes out under cooked, esp rare when cooked in the ground, more common when cooked in some kind of above ground cooker.

there is only 1 option

1. finish the hangi in an oven, (or many ovens depending on size)

there is not normally ever a backup plan

i think this section should be removed, it is far from being verifiable

Umu[edit]

needs a note to say that this is an alternative Maori word (possibly just for the oven rather than the method?), but that in modern NZ use it tends to refer generically to other Island versions.

photograph illustrations[edit]

This article needs some photographs to illustrate the process. – Kaihsu (talk) 10:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Copyvio or plagiarism? Template added[edit]

Much of the text in this article copies text from http://www.genuinemaoricuisine.com/Folders/Hangi.html I am checking to see whether this comes under copyright or plagiarism and will update warning and take steps according to relevant policy. Plutonium27 (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

edit: the web page cited above does have a NZ copyright notice, so the template warning applies. Contributions need to be checked to establish whether or not the pertinent editor has the necessary "expressed written permission." Plutonium27 (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure whether this article has copied the genuinemaoricuisine site, or that site took a version of the article and adapted it. The site claims copyright, and there is no single version of the Wikipedia article which corresponds to its content. While the site has numerous links to Wikipedia articles, these were added sometime in 2010 or 2011 and do not appear in earlier archives. There are no archives for the site at web.archive.org earlier than 2009, so it is not possible to determine when the site was created other than by the copyright date stating 2005.
The second paragraph of our article is almost identical to a passage at genuinemaoricuisine, but our paragraph was built up in pieces by several editors including two administrators. See [3] and [4] for edits which built up this paragraph. This implies that our paragraph was copied by the genuinemaoricuisine site, not vice versa.
A great deal of text with considerable overlap with the genuinemaoricuisine site was added by 82.70.66.94, a British IP, on 18 May 2005. This looks likely to have been copied from somewhere; possibly a source no longer online which also influenced genuinemaoricuisine. I don't think any substantial part of the text introduced at this point still exists in the current version of the article.
A further substantial addition of text almost certainly taken from genuinemaoricuisine was added by User:Hangiforeveryone on 19 September 2007. Some of this text has survived into the current version.
In conclusion, I don't think it is safe to keep the article in its present form, and the version before the addition of May 2005 is too short to be worth keeping, so the article should probably be deleted and restarted with a clean slate.-gadfium 23:05, 4 February 2017 (UTC)