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Chinese in Cuba are less than 300[edit]

Please fix it, ffs. Proofs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwAHYxE59_I and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVEOMLWllEY

Genetics[edit]

Southern Han largely share the same Y chromosomes with the same mutations as northern Han, while differing in mtdna and autosomal DNA.. Due to southern Han being descended from northern Han migrants who moved to southern China and married native women

http://books.google.com/books?id=I2OMVmp-7mwC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://udini.proquest.com/view/how-han-are-taiwanese-han-genetic-pqid:1668343911/

http://gradworks.umi.com/33/43/3343568.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15372031

http://159.226.149.45/compgenegroup/paper/wenbo%20Han%20culture%20paper%20(2004).pdf

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v431/n7006/full/nature02878.html

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n6/abs/5201998a.html

Do not use the blog as a reference, but use it to find and cross reference other sources.

http://blog.renren.com/share/288113449/11798480444

Teochew, Fujianese, and Hakka Y chromosome compared in Singapore. The three groups largely share the same Y chromosome

http://scholarbank.nus.edu.sg/bitstream/handle/10635/27767/Summary.pdf?sequence=3

Differences between southern Han Chinese groups like Chaoshan, Hakka, and Cantonese is mainly in the mtdna lineage inherited from the mother, where some southern Han have heavy amounts of southern native mtdna.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-XAYX201006005.htm

http://online4kim.net/xe/files/attach/images/7507/170/020/0b9b8d714566edea3954827c018a3c88.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6590358575_7450cf0f53.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2131/yndahan.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5609/2008112521014723.jpg

http://www.ranhaer.com/attachments/forumid_48/1308171634806ad8e74f2ed197.jpeg

http://www.ranhaer.com/index.php

Taiwanese Plains Aborigines, Taiwanese people

有唐山公,無唐山媽

"Have mainland (Tangshan) grandfathers, don't have mainland (tangshan) grandmothers

http://books.google.com/books?id=I2OMVmp-7mwC&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=I2OMVmp-7mwC&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://udini.proquest.com/view/how-han-are-taiwanese-han-genetic-pqid:1668343911/

http://gradworks.umi.com/33/43/3343568.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=I2OMVmp-7mwC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false

Autosomal DNA

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/12/genetic-map-of-east-asia/#.U1XEV_k71C8

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/eastasiasmall.jpg

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003862

http://www.plosone.org/article/slideshow.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0003862&imageURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0003862.t001#

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ro2ijOk8JWc/STq-lWLjfwI/AAAAAAAAAb0/wSNXMS5rG4o/s1600-h/journal.pone.0003862.g001.jpg

http://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/journalpone0003862g0011.jpg

http://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/journalpone0003862g0021.jpg

http://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/journalpone0003862t001.jpg

Title: Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Are Descendants of Three Neolithic Super-grandfathers

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.3897.pdf

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1310/1310.3897.pdf

Genetic tests on minority Zhuang Y Chromosomes show them to be of Baiyue descent, while they have some Northern Han y chromsomes due to migration of northern Han to southern China.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17185165

http://www.comonca.org.cn/LH/Doc/A30.PDF

A map of Baiyue ethnic groups in Southern China during the Zhou dynasty's rule over Northern China.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w71/MGSG/fig1mt72e.gif

http://s173.photobucket.com/user/MGSG/media/fig1mt72e.gif.html


http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/publication.htm

58[A25] JIN Li, LI Hui, WEN Bo(2005) Genetic Structure of Han: Demic Diffusion of Han Culture. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall 15:110-117.

     [PDF fulltext ]  [Abstract ]

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A25.pdf

57[A24] LI Hui (2005) Genetic Evidence for Nationalism of China: One Root, Tufty Branches and Crossed Twigs. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall 15:118-133.

     [PDF fulltext ]  [Abstract ]

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A24.pdf

☻52[A20] WEN Bo, LI Hui, LU Daru, SONG Xiufeng, ZHANG Feng, HE Yungang, LI Feng, GAO Yang, MAO Xianyun, ZHANG Liang, QIAN Ji, TAN Jingze, JIN Jianzhong, HUANG Wei, DEKA Ranjan, SU Bing, CHAKRABORTY Ranajit, JIN Li (2004) Genetic evidence supports demic diffusion of Han culture. Nature 431:302-305.

     [PDF fulltext]  [Abstract] [Supplement1] [Supplement2] [Supplement3] [Supplement4-mtDNA]

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A20.pdf

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/1publication2.htm

[A24] 李輝 (2005) 從“五族共和”到“多元一體”:國族理論的遺傳實證. 國立國父紀念館館刊 15:118-133.

       LI Hui (2005) Genetic Evidence for Nationalism of China: One Root, Tufty Branches and Crossed Twigs. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall  15:118-133.
     [PDF全文下载]  [摘要]
http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A24.pdf

[A25] 金力,李輝,文波 (2005) 漢族的遺傳結構:文化傳播伴隨人口擴張. 國立國父紀念館館刊 15:110-117.

        JIN Li, LI Hui, WEN Bo (2005) Genetic Structure of Han: Demic Diffusion of Han Culture. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall 15:110-117.
     [PDF全文下载]  [摘要]

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A25.pdf

[A20] WEN Bo, LI Hui, LU Daru, SONG Xiufeng, ZHANG Feng, HE Yungang, LI Feng, GAO Yang, MAO Xianyun, ZHANG Liang, QIAN Ji, TAN Jingze, JIN Jianzhong, HUANG Wei, DEKA Ranjan, SU Bing, CHAKRABORTY Ranajit, JIN Li (2004) Genetic evidence supports demic diffusion of Han culture. Nature 431:302-305.文波,李辉,卢大儒,宋秀峰,张锋,何云刚,李峰,高扬,毛显赟,张良,钱吉,谭婧泽,金建中,黄薇,黛卡-兰江,宿兵,查卡菩提-让纳杰,金力 (2004) 遗传证据支持汉文化传播的人口扩张模式.自然 431:302-305.

     [PDF全文下载]  [摘要]

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A20.pdf

http://plaza.ufl.edu/lqxu/blyshlee/pubzh.htm

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       LI Hui(2005). Genetic Evidence for Nationalism of China: One Root, Tufty Branches and Crossed Twigs. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall, 15:118-133.
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        JIN Li, LI Hui, WEN Bo(2005). Genetic Structure of Han: Demic Diffusion of Han Culture. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall, 15:110-117. (Review).
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[A20] WEN Bo, LI Hui, LU Daru, SONG Xiufeng, ZHANG Feng, HE Yungang, LI Feng, GAO Yang, MAO Xianyun, ZHANG Liang, QIAN Ji, TAN Jingze, JIN Jianzhong, HUANG Wei, DEKA Ranjan, SU Bing, CHAKRABORTY Ranajit, JIN Li, (2004). Genetic evidence supports demic diffusion of Han culture. NATURE, 431:302-305.

                                                                                  http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v431/n7006/abs/nature02878.html;jsessionid=A411B392470754BC65D1D1C95B76D378


Pinghua population as an exception of Han Chinese's coherent genetic structure

http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v53/n4/abs/jhg200837a.html

http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v53/n4/full/jhg200837a.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18270655

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10038-008-0250-x

Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297(09)00471-6

[Study on HLA haplotypes in Jiangsu-Zhejiang-Shanghai Han population].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12939805

[The genetic characteristic of HLA-DRB1 locus in the Jiangsu-Zhejiang-Shanghai Han population and a comparison of its frequency distribution with that of other populations].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12903056


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0035920371901854

http://www.tropicalmedandhygienejrnl.net/article/0035-9203(71)90185-4/abstract


http://china.org.cn/english/2001/Aug/16896.htm

These articles are about HLA allele frequency, not Y chromosome or autosomal genetics (so if you read the charts and mistakenly assume they are talking about genetic closeness you will get ridiculous results, like Northern Han and Taiwanese being closer with Southern Han in another branch, and Singapore Chinese being close to Tibetans while Southern Han and Northern Han are in another branch). Don't abuse charts like these and claim they represent how genetically related people are to each other.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2816316/?tool=pmcentrez#!po=10.8696

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2973946/pdf/pone.0013458.pdf

Historical Migration of Northern Han to Southern China[edit]

http://books.google.com/books?id=6qeC_0u3pLIC&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0DPEol7HO3gC&pg=PA213#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0DPEol7HO3gC&pg=PA214#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA8&dq=On+the+other+hand,+the+diversity+of+the+southern+and+south-eastern+dialects,+and+also+the+archaic+character+of+several+of+them,+bears+witness+to+the+relative+stability+of+the+peoples+established+in+these+regions&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XJM8VJaPNvPhsAT24YDwDw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=On%20the%20other%20hand%2C%20the%20diversity%20of%20the%20southern%20and%20south-eastern%20dialects%2C%20and%20also%20the%20archaic%20character%20of%20several%20of%20them%2C%20bears%20witness%20to%20the%20relative%20stability%20of%20the%20peoples%20established%20in%20these%20regions&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA126&dq=At+the+time+of+the+troubles+which+marked+the+reign+of+Wang+Mang+(9-23)+and+the+first+years+of+the+Han+restoration,+Chinese+emigration+to+Yunnan,+Kwangtung+and+north+and+central+Vietnam+increased+considerably.+...&hl=en&ei=8wd5TqOiOcHv0gHxmtTrDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=At%20the%20time%20of%20the%20troubles%20which%20marked%20the%20reign%20of%20Wang%20Mang%20(9-23)%20and%20the%20first%20years%20of%20the%20Han%20restoration%2C%20Chinese%20emigration%20to%20Yunnan%2C%20Kwangtung%20and%20north%20and%20central%20Vietnam%20increased%20considerably.%20...&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=TQ4NAQAAMAAJ&q=China:+the+world's+oldest+living+civilization+revealed+john+makeham&dq=China:+the+world's+oldest+living+civilization+revealed+john+makeham&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VcE9VOCIL7SBsQTAu4G4CA&ved=0CB8Q6wEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=gernet+chinese&hl=en&ei=Lil5ToSdGaHL0QHP7emKDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=colonial%20great%20families%20endogamous%20north&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA182&dq=Yellow+registers+white+chin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LDgWU4PhEo3H0AHpnIHICQ&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Yellow%20registers%20white%20chin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA182#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JTAcbF8cpQsC&pg=PA40&dq=Yellow+registers+white+chin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LDgWU4PhEo3H0AHpnIHICQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Yellow%20registers%20white%20chin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=126EsR8rpC8C&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=KS6sAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA181&dq=Yellow+registers+white+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8jcWU-GlF8Wj0QG89oD4DA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Yellow%20registers%20white%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0wRikR7hhFQC&pg=PA67&dq=Yellow+registers+white+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8jcWU-GlF8Wj0QG89oD4DA&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Yellow%20registers%20white%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=UNq3ENia884C&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=pCiNqFj3MQsC&pg=PA146&dq=However,+most+linguists+and+historians+believe+that+Cantonese+as+a+language+and+culture+began+to+break+away+from+proto-+Chinese+during+the+Qin+dynasty+(221–206+bce).+During+that+period+Han+settlers+began+moving+into+southern+China+from+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=06Y8VPPrIZXesATSnoLICw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=However%2C%20most%20linguists%20and%20historians%20believe%20that%20Cantonese%20as%20a%20language%20and%20culture%20began%20to%20break%20away%20from%20proto-%20Chinese%20during%20the%20Qin%20dynasty%20(221–206%20bce).%20During%20that%20period%20Han%20settlers%20began%20moving%20into%20southern%20China%20from%20...&f=false

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w71/MGSG/fig1mt72e.gif


http://books.google.com/books?id=PNnfwOo-WdAC&pg=PA259&dq=Between+the+fourth+and+nineteenth+centuries,+perhaps+five+great+waves+of+migration+brought+Hakka+from+the+central+plains+of+northern+China+southward,+first+to+the+Gan+River+valley+in+Jiangxi+and+then+successively+into+the+rugged&hl=en&ei=mCGCTvT3GoTW0QHG4_ycAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Between%20the%20fourth%20and%20nineteenth%20centuries%2C%20perhaps%20five%20great%20waves%20of%20migration%20brought%20Hakka%20from%20the%20central%20plains%20of%20northern%20China%20southward%2C%20first%20to%20the%20Gan%20River%20valley%20in%20Jiangxi%20and%20then%20successively%20into%20the%20rugged&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=dVzLG1aqlNkC&pg=PA149&dq=–+HaKKa.+A+subgroup+of+the+Han+Chinese.+Most+still+live+in+Jiangxi,+Fujian,+Guangdong,+and+Taiwan.+Because+their+ancestors+were+immigrants+from+northern+China,+local+people+called+the+newcomers+hakka+(guest+families&hl=en&ei=vCGCTvanJYn50gHbsbF2&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=–%20HaKKa.%20A%20subgroup%20of%20the%20Han%20Chinese.%20Most%20still%20live%20in%20Jiangxi%2C%20Fujian%2C%20Guangdong%2C%20and%20Taiwan.%20Because%20their%20ancestors%20were%20immigrants%20from%20northern%20China%2C%20local%20people%20called%20the%20newcomers%20hakka%20(guest%20families&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=vAXnnu1oFhUC&pg=PA172&dq=His+best-known+book+on+historical+sources+for+the+study+of+the+Hakka+draws+in+part+from+Pang's+compiled+volume+of+Shung+Him+Tong+genealogies+to+provide+evidence+of+the+northern+Chinese+origins+of+the+Hakka.51+What+Pang+does+with+his&hl=en&ei=uSGCTurRE6ru0gGqq92eAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=His%20best-known%20book%20on%20historical%20sources%20for%20the%20study%20of%20the%20Hakka%20draws%20in%20part%20from%20Pang's%20compiled%20volume%20of%20Shung%20Him%20Tong%20genealogies%20to%20provide%20evidence%20of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20origins%20of%20the%20Hakka.51%20What%20Pang%20does%20with%20his&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2E_5nR0SoXoC&pg=PA110&dq=In+many+parts+of+south+China,+these+%22guests%22+are+still+treated+as+outsiders+and+intruders+even+though+everyone+now+concedes+that+they+are+Han+Chinese.+The+Hakka+identify+themselves+as+northern+Chinese,+and+this+contention+has+some+basis&hl=en&ei=tCGCTpG0BcbZ0QG994mmAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=In%20many%20parts%20of%20south%20China%2C%20these%20%22guests%22%20are%20still%20treated%20as%20outsiders%20and%20intruders%20even%20though%20everyone%20now%20concedes%20that%20they%20are%20Han%20Chinese.%20The%20Hakka%20identify%20themselves%20as%20northern%20Chinese%2C%20and%20this%20contention%20has%20some%20basis&f=false


Anti foreign sentiment and blood purity among Southeastern Literati during the Tang dynasty

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA292&dq=There+gradually+grew+among+the+literati+and+the+officials+most+of+whome+came+from+south+east+china+that+the+intrusion+of+the+barbarians&hl=en&ei=OeWhTrSXCMjd0QH0rdmCBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=nOSZPne0zVwC&pg=PA85&dq=Chinese+scholar-officials+from+the+southeast,+who+had+risen+through+the+examination+system,+spread+the+idea+that+China's+moral+standards+and+superior+culture+had+been+polluted+by+the+decadent+barbarian-blooded+aristocrats+from+the+north&hl=en&ei=e-WhTsjDIsmP0QHq5KG5BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20scholar-officials%20from%20the%20southeast%2C%20who%20had%20risen%20through%20the%20examination%20system%2C%20spread%20the%20idea%20that%20China's%20moral%20standards%20and%20superior%20culture%20had%20been%20polluted%20by%20the%20decadent%20barbarian-blooded%20aristocrats%20from%20the%20north&f=false



http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA292&dq=literi+southeast+china+decadence&hl=en&ei=MC9-ToGuKKHd0QGnqdAR&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=literi%20southeast%20china%20decadence&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=hzsnT67gykkC&pg=PA51&dq=literi+southeast+china+decadence&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dsk9VJTILY_ksASZk4CgCA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=literi%20southeast%20china%20decadence&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=nOSZPne0zVwC&pg=PA85&dq=literi+southeast+china+decadence&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-Mo9VN_cOPiKsQSN8oGoCA&ved=0CEcQ6wEwBg#v=onepage&q=literi%20southeast%20china%20decadence&f=false

Millet-Rice Sinitic expansion from north to south[edit]

Recently there have been edit in DNA analysis section where it talk about Sinitic expansion from north to south on the base on Sinitic connection to millet-rice. Although it is widely accepted that Sinitic expand from north to south,it is not under DNA analysis.

DNA section biased[edit]

The text in the DNA analyis is misleading

"Despite this, tests comparing the genetic profiles of northern Han, southern Han and southern natives determined that haplogroups O1b-M110, O2a1-M88 and O3d-M7, which are prevalent in southern natives, were only observed in some southern Hans (4% on average), but not in northern Hans. "

This would imply the paternal contribution of southern natives is only 4% when this is far from the truth. Y-DNA O1 (all subclades) is very common in (and perhaps more associated with) Dai populations. It is also very common in southern Chinese. Y-DNA O-P201 is very common in southern natives and is very common in Guangdong. There are many subclades of Y-DNA O1, O2 and O3 shared by both Dai and Han alike. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

References

Missing citation[edit]

The information "There are over 22 million Han Chinese in Taiwan" is not cited and where is the proof the Han Chinese migrated from southern coastal china to Taiwan in the 17th century––Keleka11 (talk) 08:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)