Talk:Han Fei

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Title[edit]

Shouldn't this page be titled "Han Fei"? Han Feizi was the name of the book which Han Fei wrote, which contained the Legalist ideas. I might be wrong, though, I just learned this in school.

Yeah, this person is right. Why didn't you guys catch that? jettofabulo

actually, the ending "zi" in these names means master, like, master han fei, thats why confucius' real name is kongzi, master kong. all the philosophers names end that way.

I have moved Han Feizi into Han Fei. 'zi' (子) can mean master, but in this case it indicates that it is a book written by Han Fei.


Actually, Han Feizi correctly referrs to both the book and the thinker himself. However, it is often the case that in English, writers use Han Fei to refer to the author and Han Feizi to the book for the sake of clarity. Initially, of course, Han Feizi was referred to in the Chinese literature as Hanzi. The "Fei" was added to distinguish him from another author, who is known as "Hanzi".

I think the article should be moved back to Han Feizi, as that is the normal name of the thinker. The idea that Han Fei was his name and Han Feizi was his book is just a misconception. "Zi" (子) means master and it is the same case as Zhuangzi (Master Zhuang) or Xunzi (master Xun), who also wrote the books that are known by their names. --AngelRiesgo 15:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I've just checked the article in Chinese Wikipedia, and they use the Han Fei form. I thought Han Feizi was the more common form. Anyway, maybe the article can stay as Han Fei if this form of the name is nowadays more common than the three-syllable Han Feizi, the one I'm more familiar with. In any case, there doesn't seem to be any reason to make a difference between the name of the man and the name of his book. --AngelRiesgo 16:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

"Han Fei was persecuted by Li Si and committed suicide in prison." -It is my understanding that Li Si murdered Han Fei. Please verify this information. ("A Brief History of Chinese and Japanese Civilizations." 3rd Edition. pg 46.)

韓非到秦國後,受到秦王政的欣賞,準備重用他,但招李斯忌妒,對秦王進讒言,陷害韓非入獄,最後在獄中服毒自盡。(Translate)

Name[edit]

Probably vandalism, but I'm no expert. I excised this from the page: Hanfeizi, was also called "Bobina" in his later days by the priests in China because of his bravery, courage, and the fact that he was not married to a woman. Sounds doubtful to me. More so because it's written in schoolboy language and was posted anonymously. Anyone? eritain 11:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Death[edit]

I happened to be reading this annotated translation of the Thousand Character Classic and it mentions that Han Fei "was wrongly accused by enemies and, ironically, died during harsh punishment under his own retributive code."

Is this generally believed, or a commonly-circulated story about him? If so, it should be mentioned here. --Saforrest (talk) 17:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

At least it is what the only relatively reliable source of the time says, so it should be in the article. --93.217.220.237 (talk) 12:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Legalism[edit]

In addition to being an alien term to any unfamiliar reader, the term Legalism is a actually a misleading anachronism, as described in my terminology section. I personally try to limit use of it. The bulk of Han Fei concerns Realpolitkal methodology for the management of ministers - not law, which is only one of it's tools, and for that matter, only one definition of Fa.FourLights (talk) 23:19, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

I would leave Legalist for the Legal code pages, unless Realist were to be established, but I believe Realism or Realpolitik to be appropriate here. On the other hand, the term "Chinese Realpolitik" does not sound as elegant for the Legal code pages. So you see, I am not a hard ass. One has to consider artistry in such matters.FourLights (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

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