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- 1 Average hand size
- 2 med./lat. for Thumb?
- 3 Missing
- 4 Section hard to follow - diagrams would be nice
- 5 Please someone put a more proper/encyclopedic picture
- 6 Missing language
- 7 Rodents and other not-so-distant relatives
- 8 Not a gallery
- 9 main photo
- 10 Front/ Back of the hand
- 11 Move discussion in progress about "Palm"
- 12 Image: Bones of the left hand. Dorsal surface
- 13 Raccoons have hands too!
- 14 External links modified
- 15 Organ?
Average hand size
Does anyone have any more detailed info on this? It is mentioned briefly in the article but it doesn't mention where or how is it measured... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
med./lat. for Thumb?
- The word is pollex. I'm not comfortable adding it myself because I'm not sure if the thumb is a finger in English so I don't know how to phrase it – right now, the article mentions that there are four fingers, and at the same time talks about the thumb and other fingers. It confuses me. Phizq (talk) 09:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Section hard to follow - diagrams would be nice
The section ‘Muscles and tediagrams, showing how you extend or flex your fingers, and why certain movements are impossible. That would help a lot because this is essentially spatial information that is much more easily captured by an image than a block of text. So if there is someone who knows how the hand works, pleasew some diagrams. Doesn't have to be very artistic in a first version, I'm sure I or some other person could transform the sketches in nice SVG diagrams. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Please someone put a more proper/encyclopedic picture
without rings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC) you're just jealous —Preceding unsigned comment added by ManathMagesinger (talk • contribs) 23:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. Please update this picture with a picture relating to the Article, ie. Hand, a decorative ring as nothing to do here. Since when are Human beings born with gold rings on their fingers? This is an Encyclopedia here - please update with proper picture.
It sure is a nice ring but it shouldn't be on the main picture showcasing a Human hand.
Rodents and other not-so-distant relatives
The article mentions other primates, and how some, like the koala, have appendages similar to hands, but most rodents as well as flying squirrels have hand-like paws that are genetically related to our hands, distinct digits and the ability to grab stuff. I mean, appendages that are similar to hands coincidentally or functionally are one thing, but these guys share more genetic code with us in these "paws" that have common ancestry with our hands, so it might be worth saying something in that respect here. When I see a mouse, a squirrel or a rat, I feel more tempted to say they have hands than paws or claws. They even have rough thumbs. I suppose in general these are called "paws" because they're "animals", but that's more cultural and historical in general than scientific or biological. Who is like God? (talk) 23:41, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Not a gallery
Sorry for the red link in my edit summary, I meant to link to WP:NOTGALLERY. I think the gallery in this article is already a problem and if we are going to add to it then we should have a specific good reason.--Taylornate (talk) 15:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
The aspect ratio appears to be off, squishing the top view. I think we should correct that. Ideally the user who created the work would do it over so we don't have to make a guess at it.--Taylornate (talk) 15:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Front/ Back of the hand
While many people refer to the dorsel of the hand as the back, the front of the hand can actually be argued as the fingertips with the rear being the portion which connects to your body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 21:32, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Stopped by for some info after wife's hand procedure. It is confusing to the non medical student reader (me) when different sections switch between the finger names and finger numbers. I had to follow the link to 'digit ratio' to find out that the thumb is finger #1. I added the names to this section as I see other comments with this same confusion, so it appears to be an issue needing clarification. -- Steve -- (talk) 16:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, the hand surgeons I've worked with also prefer to use names instead of numbers because it is more clear to them as well. The proper names are thumb, index finger, long finger, ring finger, and small finger. I would support changing any remaining digit-number references.--Taylornate (talk) 03:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress about "Palm"
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Arecaceae which may impact this page, as it involves the usage of "palm". Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Moles have fingers and opposable thumbs. And use them for grasping. Yet there is a hesitance among many to call their paws "hands" because they are not primates. Why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Image: Bones of the left hand. Dorsal surface
Raccoons have hands too!
One of many such sources: A successful multifingered hand design-the case of the raccoon by Walker, I.D. ; Dept. of Electr. & Comput. Eng., Rice Univ., Houston, TX, USA. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=526158&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D526158 refers to "...the kinematic design of raccoon hands..."
- Hi Chrisrus - Info on link unavailable without fee. Its stated in the lead that often a paw may be described as a hand. Clearly animals like squirrels use their front paws as hands but the defining characteristic is the presence of opposable thumbs. Cheers --Iztwoz (talk) 09:33, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
- We don't need to pay the fee. The link shows that experts call them "hands". The title is "A successful multifingered hand design-the case of the raccoon" and the summary says "...the kinematic design of raccoon hands...".
- For more such WP:RS sources, please use Google Scholar to search for "raccoon" and "hands". You will find many, including A critical re‐examination of food “washing” behaviour in the raccoon (Procyon lotor Linn.) M LYALL‐WATSON - Proceedings of the Zoological Society of 1963, specifically where it says: "The usual pattern is for the raccoon to sit up on its haunches holding the object between its hands."
- Others you will find if you do such a search include How skilled are the skilled limb movements of the raccoon (Procyon lotor)? AN Iwaniuk, IQ Whishaw - Behavioural brain research, 1999 - ElsevierAlmost. It says "...invariably (96% of grasps observed), raccoons use their hands to pick up objects ..."
- Still others include The Raccoon: Some Mental Attributes LF Whitney - Journal of Mammalogy, 1933 - JSTOR. It states "... The raccoon is not only dexterous with his hands but he often appears to do things that are indicative of a high order of intelligence. ...
- Let me know if more such citations are necessary to convince you that experts call raccoon forepaws "hands".
- Second, this article should not state that any/all paws are called "hands", because it's not true. For example, bear paws are never called "hands". That's not how English. I plan to delete that sentence.
- You are right that opposibility of the first and fifth didgits seem to be the answer. While raccoon tracks show that all five digits align more like paws while they are watching, raccoon digits can at any moment splay out so far that the first and fifth digits touch from opposite directions, practically 180 degrees. See here: http://www.raccooncapture.com/assets/images/animals/20140207163042_3.jpeg Chrisrus (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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The hand is not an organ. The Wikipedia page on the foot calls it an anitomical structure which is a better description of a hand as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)