Talk:Harold Covington

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Fatness[edit]

I have original photos I have taken of Harold Covington but I am concerned about posting them as they show how extremely fat and repulsive he is which could be taken as a form of insult even though they are accurate. I realize that it is not necessary to only post flattering photos, but these extremely unflattering photos are the only ones I have. Please advise as I am not familiar with common practice in cases like this. 174.1.101.144 (talk) 20:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

NSWPP[edit]

I edited the section on the NSWPP, removing a useless "NSWPP" wikipedia link, which actually just redirects you back to this very page. Also removed a cite to a wayback machine archived site, that used the name "NSWPP". There are more than one sites that have used the name "NSWPP", and there is no proof this particular one that no longer exists was owned by Covington. The cites given in this section of the article do not give a URL for an official Covington NSWPP site. They just say he was on the Internet. Also, I removed all the stuff about a feud between Covington and Matt Koehl, which there is actually no mention of in the cites given. This is a really bad article, with a lot of the info not matching up to the supposed citations given.Wasp14 (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

This article repeatedly calls his politics and the groups he associated wit "far-right", which is ridiculous. They are neo-Nazi, socialist groups. You might not wish to call them left-wing (due to common modern misunderstanding of that term), but they are certainly not right-wing.

The original Nazis were considered socialist by all their contemporaries, by proponents and members of the Party and by opponents. Their policies were socialist and (if you are using the original definition of "right-wing" rather than the modern usage) they opposed aristocracy. Neo-Nazis take their inspiration from the Nazis, obviously. Modern neo-Nazi groups, including those mentioned, do not have policies that would be considered right-wing in any way. You could argue that most have a common political philosophy too narrow to be considered socialism and little more than racist nationalism, but there is certainly no connection with anything generally considered right-wing. Those members of groups like Combat 18 with political background elsewhere tend to be associated with socialist groups such as the BNP.

The term "right-wing" is used here in the context democratic socialists and communists popularised in the decades after the Second World War, and often now used as a catch-all term for "evil" or "racist". However this is a deeply partisan as well as inaccurate usage, not fitting for a site that purports to be politically neutral. I know that Wikipedia is biased to the left in its editorial policy, but this is a particularly egregious example.

Overall because I don't see his much in his views that is socialist either I think all references to "right-wing" should be replaced by "neo-Nazi", "white supremacist" or similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.66.157.140 (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I would do it if I could, but the page is semi-protected. Read the NAR draft constitution - http://northwestfront.org/about/nar-constitution/ - can you tell me after reading it that it isn't socialist in nature? 108.38.29.47 (talk) 06:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Any left/right spectrum of worldviews is by definition limited and one dimensional. Our own article on neo-Nazism describes it as right-wing, though. So does the source in the article (the link was dead but I just added an archive link). Since we use reliables sources rather than original research, the description should stay as-is. VQuakr (talk) 07:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia's "reliable sources" have an agenda to describe such views as "Far right". That does not comply with Wikipedia's own WP:NPOV rules. 108.38.29.47 (talk) 08:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Then complain at WP:NPOV, not here. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

White Supremacist?[edit]

I would characterize Harold Covington as a racial separatist, not a "white supremacist". His message is more about preservation of whites as a distinct people, not them possessing "superiority".108.38.29.47 (talk) 09:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

The odd thing is that despite all the content about him being a neo-Nazi that wasn't in the lead. So I've replaced "white supremacist" with neo-Nazi. Doug Weller talk 12:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
"neo-Nazi" is somewhat of a biased descriptor. National Socialist is better. Discussion? 108.38.29.47 (talk) 04:48, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
No because we use what the sources say, we don't interpret them, as well as a long term consensus that we use Nazi, not National Socialisr. Doug Weller talk 04:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
What do the rules say about pulling quotes that contain weasel words?
Thanks for asking. WP:WEASEL says "views which are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions if they accurately represent the opinions of the source. Reliable sources may analyze and interpret, but we, as editors, cannot do so ourselves, since that would be original research or would violate the Neutral point of view." Doug Weller talk 13:10, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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