Talk:Hasan ibn Ali

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Infobox: Imamah (numbered)[edit]

11 October 2016, there were some edits made to change up the style of the infobox: [1]. While a nice touchup in my opinion; however, some important information was lost in that process, which hasn't been retained since. I'm referring to Hasan's Imamate. Previously it stated:

  • 1st Imam of Taiyabi-Mustaali Shia
  • 2nd Imam of Seveners, Twelvers and Zaydis

Currently it simply states "2nd Imam"; what should be noted is that Hasan is the 2nd Imam in Zaydi and Twelver sects of Shia Islam. However, he is the 1st Imam among the Musta'li Ismailis, and is not a Imam at all among the Nizari Ismailis. So the existing honorific on the article, and that of other Shia Imams should reflect this/disambiguation accurately instead of "# Imam of all Muslims (Shia view)" or "# Imam of Shia Islam." Otherwise it may constitute WP:POV. This isn't WP:FRINGE, as these are established sects and have their own history and Wikipedia articles (they've met WP:NOTABILITY).

In this article for example, I propose it state "2nd Imam of Shia Islam<br.>(Twelver and Zaydi view)" and alternatively "1st Imam of Shia Islam<br.>(Mustali view)"... This covers NPOV, and retains what it was prior to 11 Oct 2016. -DA1 (talk) 10:51, 17 June 2017 (UTC) @Sa.vakilian, Emir of Wikipedia, Mhhossein; Thoughts or suggestions?

Your proposal sounds reasonable but we need to consider the successors too. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@Emir of Wikipedia: My proposal doesn't disrupt the 'Successors'; i presume you're referring to the Caliphs? This is how it looked after I made my edit ; Since then its been edited again, by Snowsky Mountain; who also edited the Ali article, rearranging the Twelver view to be on top and everything else to be on bottom. See [2]
"Caliph" should be listed first since that is a factual political seat, other titles (irrespective of sect) are a religious construct. DA1 (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't mean the parameter "Successors", but rather the numbering on the infoboxes of the articles for the actual successors. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
I created separate/new parameters for the new Imam templates. Please have a look at my boldened link above. On the related note, what are your opinions on rearranging the parameters that 'Caliph' is inserted below the Twelver 'Imam' view? This seems to go against WP:DUE WEIGHT. -DA1 (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@Emir of Wikipedia:
Thanks for creating the new parameters. I think that we should probably put the Caliph above Imam, but we should include the sects other than Twelvers. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:51, 17 June 2017 (UTC)