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LinguisticDemographer 01:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Name derivation[edit]

What ever became of the Hafna's ford in the west theory? If this has been thouroughly discredited, in recent years, perhaps the reasons for that would be worth recording? Theory had it that it may have begun as a Viking settlement (perhaps with some conflation of the word ford, as in river-crossing with fjord, as in sea-inlet). Belief in Viking descent seems to be quite fashionable at the moment (see BBC's Gene Detectives) and a peninsular-confined population would have a higher chance than most of success in using genetic testing to come up with the evidence to back up the theory. Had there been continuity of such a settlement as far as the 11th century, they might have practically welcomed the arrival of the Normans (former Vikings) with open arms. As well as the lack of pre-Norman archaeological evidence for it, the sheer number of castles within 30 miles of the town is indicative of quite the opposite kind of reception! EatYerGreens 22:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It sounds fair enough to me. The derivation given is that of Charles' Placenames of Pembrokeshire, which is the normal reference work. Old forms of the name listed there do not bear out a "fjord" form. If you have alternative sources (with citations) by all means add these as an alternative.
P.S. the BBC gene project showed the Haverfordwest population to be pure, undiluted Iberian Celtic, a distinctly unfashionable result! Maybe they got the samples mixed up. See Capelli, C., et al, "A Y Chromosome Census of the British Isles", in "Current Biology", Vol 3, 2003, pp 979-984.

LinguisticDemographer 01:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Aha, so that's how you indent! (excuse the noob). Unfashionable result, maybe, but I'm sure they were all delighted to find out that they were all 'properly' Welsh. (Dispassionate Englishman, myself). I think they needed to be able to prove at least seven generations in the area, to qualify for the gene testing, so the potential sample size would be small (diligent genealogists only!) but that helps make the results uncontestable. I am unable to cite the 'Hafna' source and cannot even recall if it was a book about the town's history or a Western Telegraph article. I'd guess the publication date would be before 1980, if that helps. EatYerGreens 22:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The Hereford reference has had a {{fact}} flag for six months, with no response. I'm aware of it's frequently being said, but with no justification, and the name etymology, which is quite different from that of Hereford, is good evidence against. And anyone who confuses Haverfordwest with Hereford is seriously lost. I am therefore deleting it. . . .LinguisticDemographer 16:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Culture?[edit]

I have changed the heading under culture, as it was actually a list of people, and culture should be a written paragraph explaining the cultural significance rather than a list.

I removed the Duffy reference as it said she lived outside Haverfordwest rather than in it, this is similar to the Tom Jones lives outside Pontypridd quote on the Pontypridd page. I also removed the reggae singer who visited the area, if we list people that visit places, then New York and London would be very interesting pages.

Have started new headings in the hope of future expansion, and placed notable residents into alphabetical order.

Pronunciation[edit]

Could we have a sourced IPA transcription of the town's name's pronunciation please? I'm unsure whether the stress goes on the first or last syllable. Ideally this would include a source for the assertion that it is known locally as "Harford". Thanks! Old Man of Storr (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Market Town Suggestion[edit]

http://www.history.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/gazweb2.html suggests there are several other market towns that serve/served the county; so stating that Haverfordwest served most of the county may not be tenable without a good source.SovalValtos (talk) 06:58, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. I've changed it. The ref is a new one on me and looks very useful. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
A bit harsh. It said Haverfordwest served "most of" Pembrokeshire rather than all of it. Considering the northern two-thirds has few if any large towns it's not an unbelievable claim. Sionk (talk) 18:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Maybe I'm a bit impulsive today. Won't object if you put it back in. Cheers. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Not unbelievable, but a source for the assertion would improve the article. Maybe it might be best to wait a few days to see what can be found before replacing it? SovalValtos (talk) 19:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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